Anyone know about how much armor penetration an MS warrior should be shooting for? Just swapped over from fury and I'm trying to get a feel for things.

I am admittedly a fairly terrible DPS warrior, however I don't think you should worry about armor penetration. You'll get some on gear and that's fine, but it seems like a terrible stat to specifically gear for.

If you have two points spare, the best bang for the buck would be Improved Execute. However, consider the alternative of still grabbing Weapon Mastery and then gearing for 2% less Expertise, and then spend some of that on items with more Crit Rating or Attack Power/Strength.

I was playing around with landsoul's new fury dps spreadsheet and trying to make a new best in slot list for patch 3.0.8 because my guild demands one and I'm the warrior officer so I'd better figure it out. I believe I have. The highest DPS I found for a undead warrior with 50 ms and BS but no JC was 6727.2247 with the following gear. Did I get it right or is there a better list out there somewhere?

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I've been looking at quite a few warrior armory links post 3.0.8, and it seems most have opted for just meeting the hit cap of 164. Are you guys rage starved at all?

Here is my armory link
The World of Warcraft Armory

i am sitting at 8.75% exp with no talent points and i do have 2/2 imp exc

3799AP
258HR
41.02Crit

this is all unbuffed

since i am over the exp cap and have imp exc i ran with imp berserker rage and i was able to spam HS more since the cooldown on berserker is only 20.1secs.

i think that would be the best to imp dps what do you think

You may want to consider switching the points from Imp. Berkserker Rage (Perhaps even 2 from Precision and 1 from Imp. Execute) over to Enrage (5/5). Also, you may want to switch your cloak enchant from 23 haste rating to 22 agility. You'll benefit more from the crit than you would the haste.

From the way it looks on your armory right now, you aren't expertise capped. Getting that should be priorty over gettng ArP.

You may want to consider switching the points from Imp. Berkserker Rage (Perhaps even 2 from Precision and 1 from Imp. Execute) over to Enrage (5/5). Also, you may want to switch your cloak enchant from 23 haste rating to 22 agility. You'll benefit more from the crit than you would the haste.


From what i remember Enrage(5/5) wasnt triggered by aoe affects and we shouldnt be getting hit by bosses now trash is a different story but who cares about trash. Please correct me if im wrong and ill chagne that cloack enchant for sure.

I apologize if this can be found somewhere else in this thread, I've tried scanning through and have been unable to find the information.

This is taken from wowhead.com (the poster credits EJ theorycrafters for his numbers).

This is in reference to hit caps for Warriors...

White caps:
DW without Precision: 919 removing 28% miss rate.
DW with 3/3 Precision: 820 removing 25% miss rate.
1 hand/shield or 2 hander: 164 removing 5% miss

I was able to confirm his information on the yellow hit cap (165) in this post, but was unable to find the white hit cap for 3.0.8.

If anyone can either confirm or deny the above, I'd really apreciate the help.

Thank You.

On the FIRST page: http://elitistjerks.com/977422-post9.html

I asked this in the Fury discussion section, but I suppose it applies to both spec's; I'm curious what sort of weight people are giving to our 4t7 bonus for Fury and also Arms. I'd assume it would have a higher uptime for Arms, but after a few attempted searches I've been unable to find any information on what sort of weight the 4 piece grants.

Since our tier gear is so expt/hit heavy (gloves/legs mostly) it's hard to justify wearing multiple pieces unless the bonus is quite good.

As mentioned in the above post,4piece bonus of t7 isn't realy worth more than 30 dps increase in a usual boss fight.Nonetheless,if you consider that head,shoulders and chest are considered best in slot (in plate that is,there are some mail pieces,such as the [Blue Aspect Helm]that benefit more some stats)you can wear the legs for expertise.At least according to my calculations,the Valorous legplates provide around 25-35dps less to top 3 items(valorous provide 313.31dps if gemmed with 2x 16str gems,while items such as [infectious skitterer legs] got around 342.90),except [belabored legplates](sartharion 2 adds on 10man)which are vastly superior for fury.Something like 4 set items and [crude discolored battlegrips] for hands would provide a decent status distribution and would allow you go for 4set bonus.I hope this helped.

1. Can anyone recommend a swing timer? I'm still Arms (will probably end up going to Fury, but at the moment my gear supports Arms a lot better) and finding that mistiming a sub-45 MS or Exec can be quite costly ... while I do try to watch swings, the animation and the rage increase on screen both seem to lag the actual strike (so I can end up doing what I think is a 'just before swing' MS/XC and find it has become a 'just after swing'.) I'm usually at about 350ms latency (Australia)

2. Is there any chance that the Naxx plate gear which is sooo heavily covered in hit from when TG was -15% then -12% then -5% .... will have its stat allocation changed to fit with the fact that now Fury needs *less* hit than Arms? I bid on pieces like Undiminished Battleplate and Fire Hardened Greathelm, preparing for Fury, before the TG buff was announced and am now looking at swapping in inferior pieces just because of all the wasted hit - and that's for Arms let alone 3/3 Precision Fury.

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Depending on how much hit you have,hit might not be a wasted stat to work on.There are some items that have too much hit,but dont forget that fury dps comes with 25-30%from white hits.If you dont need to gem/enchant for hit,keep those items until you get some marginaly better.I dont think blizz would change a whole instance set of items because of something they had in mind to do anyway(there was a GC post when it was 12% that anounced they would make it 5% and if fury dps would be too low,remove it) .So,all in all,keep the hit items until you get some with better stat allocation.

Enrage barely procs on boss AoE. Procing less than 3 times (per boss) on Naxx bosses with AoE last test run. Enrage is not worth 5 points, keeping points in precision and getting gear upgrades with less hit would be better.

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I use LD50_abar, I used Quartz before, never went back to it after using LD50_abar

I have read a number of discussions and used many of the wonderful tools found on these forums regarding tanking stats. I have seen many differring opinions regarding which avoidance stat to stack. The general concensus seems to be equally stacking dodge and parry with priority going to dodge. However, because both of these stats are subject to diminishing returns, stacking block rating/value seems to be just as important if not moreso since it is not subject to diminishing returns.

Stacking block value will increase dps obviously thus increasing threat (though threat is nearly a non-issue at the moment). I am wondering if anyone could provide target % to shoot for in each of the tanking stats. Is 20% block too much or not enough.

I read another thread on these forums regarding the comparision of diminishing returns of dodge and parry but block was mostly left out of the discussion. How does this affect your decision for choosing a stat in an upgrade?

GC has specifically stated that a lot of current gear has poor itemization intentionally to give them room to improve in future raids beyond just having a higher item budget. So I very much doubt they will change current gear significantly, as this is meant to be entry level gear from entry level raids, so it isn't meant to be perfectly set up to give maximum dps.

I have a feeling this isn't going to be just a "simple question" as much as a lot of kinda hard questions (for me, anyway :P), but please bear with me.


I'm trying to figure out a good all-round spec with the most essential tank talents but also a sprinkle of convenience and PvP-useful talents. As a tank in training I'm still collecting pre-raid gear, grinding factions, doing both heroics and battlegrounds, and so on, so I'm not looking to squeeze out the most TPS or survivability, but rather pick the talents that give back the most per point on an overall basis.

So far I've got this: http://talent.mmo-champion.com/?warr...=160208020306#

I've got specific questions, but if you want to comment in general about it, feel free to do so, it will be appreciated

Mainly, I'm trying to spread out my last few points between these talents: Imp Heroic Strike, Iron Will, Imp Bloodrage, Imp Thunderclap, Imp Revenge, Last Stand, and Vigilance. I've tried to break them down into groups for easier evaluation and to keep with the "simple question" nature of the thread.

Last Stand, and Vigilance are talents I have in my current spec, but rarely use because I forget about them :P so I'm considering dropping them.

Imp Bloodrage, Imp Thunderclap and Imp Revenge are all attractive talents, and I've yet to find an argument to rule one out over the others.

About Iron Will and Imp Heroic Strike, IW seems really nice for PvP, but that's about it, and PvP is probably what I spend the least time on (ie. the occasional Wintergrasp). As for HS, it kinda seems like overdoing it together with the glyphs (Revenge and HS).

Also, I haven't decided on major glyphs yet. I kinda want Rapid Charge (very useful for grinding), and Resonating Power seems nice too, but I'm not sure if they're worth taking over any of the three I've picked in the linked spec.

Last, I tend to overlook the obvious, so feel free to point out anything that comes to mind.


A quick last question: if I put Shield Block and Shield Slam in the same macro, will the block value increase affect that shield slam?


Thanks in advance

So now that the Titan's Grip reduces your chance to hit with damage-dealing abilities that require a weapon by 0% .. what are the new hit caps for White hits and Yellow ?

Just wondering what my hit should be now, considering with precision just before the patch i was at 361 and raiding great .. but should i keep my hit up to 361 or drop it to whatever the new hit cap is and gain my crit/haste Etc.

Regarding the new bloodsurge i wonder what you should aim for roation wise.

Should i prioritize Slam! over both BT and WW? or should I never delay a BT / WW for a bloodsurge proc and just use it as I did with old bloodsurge?

Any answers would help.