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Old 12/15/08, 1:50 PM   #346
Vhad
Don Flamenco
 
Night Elf Warrior
 
Silvermoon (EU)
Toughness - Spell - World of Warcraft Unless it's not true, toughness is 500 extra hp, not 50 stamina. Thus making JC/BS the better option.

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Old 12/15/08, 2:06 PM   #347
jlafleur
Glass Joe
 
Undead Warrior
 
Altar of Storms
Its being changed from 500 health to 50 stamina in the upcoming patch. Having said that, I still agree BS > mining. Mining doesn't give you choice on what stat you get. With BS, you can choose to socket anything on more than one set of gloves and bracers. So you can meet socket bonuses if thats an issue and you can have DPS gems sockets in DPS set when you switch your spec. 50 stam will still be 50 stam when you switch your spec.

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Old 12/15/08, 2:23 PM   #348
Symphonia
Von Kaiser
 
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Worgen Warrior
 
Dalvengyr
Originally Posted by jlafleur View Post
Its being changed from 500 health to 50 stamina in the upcoming patch. Having said that, I still agree BS > mining. Mining doesn't give you choice on what stat you get. With BS, you can choose to socket anything on more than one set of gloves and bracers. So you can meet socket bonuses if thats an issue and you can have DPS gems sockets in DPS set when you switch your spec. 50 stam will still be 50 stam when you switch your spec.
I don't see how this is relevant. The discussion is the best profession for tanking, not the best profession for tanking and if I decide to dps sometimes. The point is to optimize and min/max for the spec you play.

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Old 12/15/08, 4:14 PM   #349
Ronen
Glass Joe
 
Night Elf Warrior
 
Hydraxis
MS Arms NE Warrior

Where should a Mortal Strike NE Arms Warrior set his priorities on gear... Hit rating at 9% First Then 6.25% Expertise then 35% Unbuffed Critical Strike? I am trying to figure out the gearing priorities basically.

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Old 12/15/08, 4:51 PM   #350
jlafleur
Glass Joe
 
Undead Warrior
 
Altar of Storms
Originally Posted by Symphonia View Post
I don't see how this is relevant. The discussion is the best profession for tanking, not the best profession for tanking and if I decide to dps sometimes. The point is to optimize and min/max for the spec you play.
Some encounters require multiple tanks. Some don't. BS gem slots give you more flexibility than mining so that you can switch out to dps gear when you don't have to tank. Also, in terms of relevance, extra prismatic slots to meet meta or socket requirements is handy for a person who only tanks. I'll trade 2.2 stam for that.

You also haven't seen epic gem cuts yet. Bound to surpass mining in terms of stam gain.

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Old 12/15/08, 4:56 PM   #351
jlafleur
Glass Joe
 
Undead Warrior
 
Altar of Storms
Also, pre-patch, 48 stam > 500 health by my math. So extremely relevant.

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Old 12/15/08, 5:18 PM   #352
Symphonia
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Worgen Warrior
 
Dalvengyr
Originally Posted by jlafleur View Post
Some encounters require multiple tanks. Some don't. BS gem slots give you more flexibility than mining so that you can switch out to dps gear when you don't have to tank. Also, in terms of relevance, extra prismatic slots to meet meta or socket requirements is handy for a person who only tanks. I'll trade 2.2 stam for that.

You also haven't seen epic gem cuts yet. Bound to surpass mining in terms of stam gain.
Yes, but the question was:
What are the best two professions for tanking, stat/gear-wise?
The 2 tanking meta gems require 2 blues and a red, hardly something you need to go out of your way for. What do you mean socket requirements? The prismatic socket has nothing to do with the socket requirement, as you still need to match the other socket's color, if there is one. Unless I misunderstood what you meant.

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Old 12/15/08, 7:57 PM   #353
jozga
Von Kaiser
 
Orc Warrior
 
Runetotem (EU)
Incase anyone missed it, there will be a new 40 stam to bracer enchant and so the benefit of leatherworking is now only 50 stam compared to 78 previously. There is very little point in being a leatherworker anymore, especially as the resistance bracer patches seem unlikely to ever be mandatory meaning that it is basically just a version of mining where you can't mine but get cheap leg patches.

Are other tanks that took leatherworking going to drop it?

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Old 12/16/08, 2:16 AM   #354
Tankietka
Piston Honda
 
Human Warrior
 
Shadowsong (EU)
Originally Posted by Ronen View Post
Where should a Mortal Strike NE Arms Warrior set his priorities on gear... Hit rating at 9% First Then 6.25% Expertise then 35% Unbuffed Critical Strike? I am trying to figure out the gearing priorities basically.
Currently I go for hit cap (apparently it's 8% now, still testing though). After that I'm trying to follow values for each stat I got from sim (yeah, I know, they are not necessarily perfect, but are giving me some clues in which direction I should go). As for expertise and armor pen. I just go with what is on gear that gets me to hit cap and has max value, I'm not doing anything special to cap on expertise for example.

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Old 12/16/08, 5:30 AM   #355
Proxye
Glass Joe
 
Blood Elf Mage
 
Gorgonnash
I've a question regarding tank specs. What is the "best" tank spec as of right now? Deep wounds like in this build (Talent Calculator - World of Warcraft Would points in cruelty be better or are they not worth the mitigation lost in shield spec?

Another question involving tank gear: I've Essence of Gossamer, Repelling charge and the Valor Medal. Right now, I'm using Essence and Repelling charge most of the time - is the valor medal worth using? Or is it a terrible choice because of the dodge DR?

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Old 12/16/08, 5:44 AM   #356
footloop
Piston Honda
 
Dwarf Hunter
 
Aegwynn
Originally Posted by Proxye View Post
I've a question regarding tank specs. What is the "best" tank spec as of right now? Deep wounds like in this build (Talent Calculator - World of Warcraft Would points in cruelty be better or are they not worth the mitigation lost in shield spec?

Another question involving tank gear: I've Essence of Gossamer, Repelling charge and the Valor Medal. Right now, I'm using Essence and Repelling charge most of the time - is the valor medal worth using? Or is it a terrible choice because of the dodge DR?
I've tried deep wounds out and I'm really liking it, it adds a lot of threat/DPS. I would say that 2 points in cruelty is better than maxing out shield spec, it's a fairly minimal amount of mitigation lost.

As to the trinkets, I would agree that essence/charge is a better combo. The valor medal isn't a *terrible* choice, but I've never thought +avoidance procs were that great as an oh-shit button (I'd much rather have something reliable) and as to the static stats the +stam on the trinket seems like a much better option than the +dodge on the medal.

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Old 12/16/08, 6:58 AM   #357
Arantar
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Night Elf Death Knight
 
Argent Dawn (EU)
I had a look through searching to see if I could find an answer to this, but sadly without any luck.

With Wrath of the Lich King, many Racial Abilities were changed, and amongst those was the Night Elf +1% dodge. It's now 2% less chance to be hit from ranged and melee attacks.

What I'm wondering, does this mean that you can stack for 2% less crit immunity, or does crit come before hit on the attack table?

Strength is KING! I suppose that makes Attack Power the Queen and Critical Strike Rating the Prince..

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Old 12/16/08, 9:36 AM   #358
Anaximander
Glass Joe
 
Human Warrior
 
Mal'Ganis
My understanding is that +Miss chance modifies an enemy's attack table by turning a regular hit into a miss. The 5.6% chance to crit that bosses have can only be removed by defense, resilience, or a no longer obtainable 100+ percent avoidance. Also, I believe blocked attacks cannot crit, so Shield Block may give you 20 seconds of crit immunity, although this has no practical pve value that I'm aware of (since you really just need to be crit-reduction capped to be a raid tank).

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Old 12/16/08, 9:45 AM   #359
Argium
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Night Elf Warrior
 
Proudmoore
Originally Posted by Arantar View Post
I had a look through searching to see if I could find an answer to this, but sadly without any luck.

With Wrath of the Lich King, many Racial Abilities were changed, and amongst those was the Night Elf +1% dodge. It's now 2% less chance to be hit from ranged and melee attacks.

What I'm wondering, does this mean that you can stack for 2% less crit immunity, or does crit come before hit on the attack table?
Short answer: You still need 540 defense. The extra 2% miss will still stack on top of that though (giving you an extra 2% avoidance - that's my understanding anyway).

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Old 12/16/08, 10:22 AM   #360
Ambika
Piston Honda
 
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Undead Warrior
 
Earthen Ring
Threat Problems on trash:
Like in BC I'm getting threat issues as my gear improves. I used to routinely break out 3k threat on 10mans during naxx and now I'm lucky to get into the 2500 range. My rotations haven't changed, my spec did by removing points from AttT and putting them all in +crit and stacking more and more in protection tree for tanking. During 25mans initial dps has to wait while I build up threat but in the long haul they cannot catch me.

I put Vigilance usally on a dps warrior or ret pally as they have no aggro dump and just goto town.

Fights like heigan/10 hurt as I had to keep kiting him around and my threat generation is bad. I don't bleed like druids nor spool out threat en masses like paladins with consecrate and judgements.

Is there anything I can do to keep my tanking gear inline with maxximum HP and better threat generation or do I need to build a TPS set with nothing but +Crit/STR and cut it as close to 530ish defense till I get to bosses.


Typical rotations:
Heroic Throw
Shield Slam
Devestatex5
HS

When up:
Revenge
Shockwave

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