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Old 03/30/09, 6:47 PM   #751
Citygrl23
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Human Warrior
 
Vashj
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My current rotaion is WW, BT, HS with 50+ rage and Slam only on bloodsurge procs.

Im full t7.5 with Death's bite and Armageddon. My best on Patchwerk was 4.4k. Im told I dont do enough dps for the gear I have. Is my rotation wrong? Im using Recklessness with Deaths wish and Loaethebs shadow on boss fights as well as haste potions when heroism is used. I experimented using BT before WW when starting my rotaion but I dont think it made that much of a difference.

Any advice would be appreciated.

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Old 03/30/09, 7:00 PM   #752
 Birdemani
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We would need to see a WWS to fully understand what is going on to give you advice. There are other variables at play here: length of fight, debuffs, buffs, consumables, timing of heroism, timing of your cooldowns, etc. Also, what glyphs are you using? I will say if you have an alt you should dump mining on this character and pick up blacksmithing.

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Old 03/30/09, 8:46 PM   #753
 Jameson
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Originally Posted by Citygrl23 View Post
My current rotaion is WW, BT, HS with 50+ rage and Slam only on bloodsurge procs.

Im full t7.5 with Death's bite and Armageddon. My best on Patchwerk was 4.4k. Im told I dont do enough dps for the gear I have. Is my rotation wrong? Im using Recklessness with Deaths wish and Loaethebs shadow on boss fights as well as haste potions when heroism is used. I experimented using BT before WW when starting my rotaion but I dont think it made that much of a difference.

Any advice would be appreciated.
At a glance, you aren't doing anything terrible with your gear except for the hit gem in your gun. As Bird said, we need a WWS. Have a look at the spreadsheet thread and see if there are any other changes you can make using the spreadsheet as a guide.

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Old 03/31/09, 12:51 AM   #754
Goatsey
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Ravencrest (EU)
Originally Posted by Citygrl23 View Post
haste potions when heroism is used.
Don't use haste pots when heroism is up, its a waste of dps and a pot. You should be using them in-conjuction with a non-heroism death wish for the last 15 seconds of this. Besides this 4.4k could be ok or awful depending on melee buffs. If you don't have windfury, mangle, 3% haste, faerie fire 4.4k could be very respectable. However if you have access to full melee buffs then you would have to provide a parse to look at what you are doing, the rotation is right but fury warriors are very dependent on buffs.

You only have 2 prismatic gems in your gear, 1 of which is a 27 crit gem, and a 16 hit rating gem, you should replace the 27 crit prismatic with a 27 strength gem and add another one of those into your belt for the 4 strength bonus, and replace the 16 hit rating gem with an 8str/8 crit gem or 16crit.

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Old 03/31/09, 4:04 AM   #755
EaE
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Draenei Warrior
 
Karazhan (EU)
Does Enrage proc of bosses' AOE damage? How often is it useful in boss fights at all? I'm currently overcapped with Expertise and looking for some place to move points from Weapon Mastery to. The choice is between Anger Management, Unbridled Wrath, Enrage and Imp. Execute, I think.

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Old 03/31/09, 4:29 AM   #756
DarkS
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Originally Posted by EaE View Post
Does Enrage proc of bosses' AOE damage? How often is it useful in boss fights at all? I'm currently overcapped with Expertise and looking for some place to move points from Weapon Mastery to. The choice is between Anger Management, Unbridled Wrath, Enrage and Imp. Execute, I think.
I tested myself Enrage on my Fury build. It simply doesn't worth the points. I parsed 2 full Naxxramas runs and the proc rate was very, very low... I'd take Anger Management + Piercing Howl/Heroic Fury or 2 points on Improved Execute.

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Old 03/31/09, 11:02 AM   #757
MicroBit
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I swear, I saw a patch note once stating that no enrage effect procs from AoE damage.

And an opinion to your question:
I'd definitely take improved execute over more rage or enrage.
Don't know after the patch though, seeing as how we'll generate less rage.

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Old 03/31/09, 3:45 PM   #758
Shha
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Originally Posted by Goatsey View Post
Don't use haste pots when heroism is up, its a waste of dps and a pot.
Care to elaborate why you shouldnt stack dmg buffs that multiply?

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Old 03/31/09, 6:20 PM   #759
Vortok
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Originally Posted by Torito
"Increased aggro" abilities: How do they work?
Do they give a flat amount of aggro each time they are used or are an aggro-multiplier to the damage caused by the attack?

How can I know the exact multiplier or the flat amount caused from each of the main tanking abilities from the prot warrior? (Heroic Strike, Shield Slam, Devastate, Revenge and Thunderclap)
Warrior WoW 3.0 Threat Values - TankSpot

Generally speaking for abilities like that, it's a flat amount of threat + damage done for Warriors. Couple are interesting, such as Devastate (damage + 5% of AP, which is still a flat amount... it just isn't a completely static flat amount), but usually it's a flat amount such as Heroic Strike being 259 according to information in that link.

By way of comparison, Death Knights have a few abilities that put a multiplier on the damage (in addition to Frost Presence's multiplier).
Deathknight Death Knight threat values - TankSpot

Thus something that states in the tooltip that it causes high threat may or may not actually cause more threat per Rage spent than another ability.



Edit: Didn't quote properly.

Last edited by Vortok : 03/31/09 at 6:31 PM.

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Old 03/31/09, 6:21 PM   #760
callion
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Does anyone know how to see how much shield block value you have? The only thing I've seen is if you mouse-over the strength stat you get how much SBV your strength is giving you but this doesn't include the SBV from gear, right?

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Old 03/31/09, 6:51 PM   #761
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Originally Posted by callion View Post
Does anyone know how to see how much shield block value you have? The only thing I've seen is if you mouse-over the strength stat you get how much SBV your strength is giving you but this doesn't include the SBV from gear, right?
Hover over the Block stat in your character screen under Defensive stats.

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Old 04/02/09, 12:15 PM   #762
Victarion
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Can anyone tell me the expected accuracy of Rawr's DPS estimations or Landsouls spreadsheet? IE accurate to within 1/5/10% or roughly X DPS.

I had someone tell me that they had issues with accuracy while I was under the impression that they were quite accurate, erring on the high side if at all, due to assuming a perfect rotation and no loss of time on target due to positioning or other issues.

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Old 04/02/09, 12:19 PM   #763
Vanif
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Fury DPS questions

I too am concerned that I'm not pushing out enough DPS in raids. I try to follow the recommened rotations and I can never seem to keep up with raid members that are less geared than myself. So, I have a few questions.

Please check out my gear and build The World of Warcraft Armory.

First question, today I replaced two Jagged Forest Emralds (8 Crit & 12 Stam) for the two Sovereign Twilight Opal (8 Str & 12 Stam) that I'm now wearing. I want to see if this will increase my dps. However, I do lose the socket bonus so i'm not sure how it'll work out. Also, I current am wearing the Incisor Fragment trinket. I have Darkmoon Card - Death that I could wear instead. Which should I go with until I can upgrade? Overall, I'm a bit confused on whether I should go with Strength or Crit. Which will produce higher dps?

Second question is in regards to my build. I typicall run with 2 pallys and a prot warrior who uses commanding Shout. Therefore, I don't see any need to put points in Booming Voice or Commanding Presence. I only have 1 point in Weapon Mastery because I'm already at 5.75% and with the 1 point in WM I reach the expertiese cap. I usally put my two floater points in Improved Bersker Rage but this morning I switched them to Enrage to see how that works out for my dps. Does anyone see anything that I can do to improve my build?

Here are a couple WWS. Please check them out and let me know if I'm where I should be with dps. Also, note that this was prior to me switching the 2 gems and the two points from IBR to Enrage.

Heroic OS - Wow Web Stats
Heroic NAxx - Wow Web Stats

Those are the most recent ones that I have with my current gear minus the gem changes.

Last edited by Vanif : 04/03/09 at 10:09 AM.

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Old 04/02/09, 12:31 PM   #764
Bersi
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Originally Posted by Victarion View Post
Can anyone tell me the expected accuracy of Rawr's DPS estimations or Landsouls spreadsheet? IE accurate to within 1/5/10% or roughly X DPS.
I find the numbers from Landsouls sheet much more accurate than the current RAWR output although both are too high compared to real live values (assuming perfect rotations, no lag spikes, no fps problems etc.). From my experience is the error margin about 10-15%.

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Old 04/02/09, 1:52 PM   #765
Gellor
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For the life of me I can't remember, but doesn't SBV contribute to SS damage on a 1 for 1 basis?

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