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Old 04/02/09, 4:17 PM   #766
dysent
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Maelstrom
Every single week, come Loatheb time, I get my damage killed by our other fury warrior.
His deep wounds does significantly more damage than mine did during the course of the fight, consistently week after week. It's generally around 250k(me) vs 350k(him) from deep wounds.

That said, non-deep-wounds attacks I did more damage and had a higher crit rate than him for the fight across all categories. (my gear is a lil better) Additionally, my HS damage is almost double my white damage on that fight, where his white damage exceeds his HS damage.

Near as I can tell, I'm doing something that's cutting short my deep wounds, due to some vagary of how deep wounds calculates on fights where crit% approaches 100%. I mean, all the abilities that aren't deep wounds are doing more damage, so shouldn't deep wounds be doing more damage unless something is bugged?

For reference, I'm using BoH / Armageddon, and I think he uses BoH / Jawbone. Is the matching 3.4 speeds my problem?

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Old 04/02/09, 5:28 PM   #767
Gellor
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Originally Posted by dysent View Post
Every single week, come Loatheb time, I get my damage killed by our other fury warrior.
His deep wounds does significantly more damage than mine did during the course of the fight, consistently week after week. It's generally around 250k(me) vs 350k(him) from deep wounds.

That said, non-deep-wounds attacks I did more damage and had a higher crit rate than him for the fight across all categories. (my gear is a lil better) Additionally, my HS damage is almost double my white damage on that fight, where his white damage exceeds his HS damage.

Near as I can tell, I'm doing something that's cutting short my deep wounds, due to some vagary of how deep wounds calculates on fights where crit% approaches 100%. I mean, all the abilities that aren't deep wounds are doing more damage, so shouldn't deep wounds be doing more damage unless something is bugged?

For reference, I'm using BoH / Armageddon, and I think he uses BoH / Jawbone. Is the matching 3.4 speeds my problem?
I'm not aware of any DW bug for using weapons with the same attack speed. Jawbone will cause bigger deep wounds than Armageddon due to it's slower attack speed though, but that shouldn't amount a ~100k difference over the course of the fight though, especially as they are OH DW ticks.

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Old 04/02/09, 7:40 PM   #768
Citygrl23
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Originally Posted by Citygrl23 View Post
My current rotaion is WW, BT, HS with 50+ rage and Slam only on bloodsurge procs.

Im full t7.5 with Death's bite and Armageddon. My best on Patchwerk was 4.4k. Im told I dont do enough dps for the gear I have. Is my rotation wrong? Im using Recklessness with Deaths wish and Loaethebs shadow on boss fights as well as haste potions when heroism is used. I experimented using BT before WW when starting my rotaion but I dont think it made that much of a difference.

Any advice would be appreciated.

I died on patchwerk this week ( lol ) but on Grand Widow i did 5.2k. The only thing i chnaged was putting 3 pnts into Imp Cleave and then using cleave instead of HS. is this un heard of? or do lots of ppl use cleave over HS

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Old 04/02/09, 7:54 PM   #769
 Birdemani
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Originally Posted by Citygrl23 View Post
I died on patchwerk this week ( lol ) but on Grand Widow i did 5.2k. The only thing i chnaged was putting 3 pnts into Imp Cleave and then using cleave instead of HS. is this un heard of? or do lots of ppl use cleave over HS
As a main attack? No. Was she being tanked near the adds so you were hitting more than one target with your cleave?

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Old 04/02/09, 8:20 PM   #770
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Originally Posted by Citygrl23 View Post
I died on patchwerk this week ( lol ) but on Grand Widow i did 5.2k. The only thing i chnaged was putting 3 pnts into Imp Cleave and then using cleave instead of HS. is this un heard of? or do lots of ppl use cleave over HS
I think wasting 3 talent points to use in a skill that costs significantly more rage and does significantly less damage on a single target is a phenomenal idea.


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Old 04/03/09, 12:06 PM   #771
dysent
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Maelstrom
Originally Posted by Gellor View Post
I'm not aware of any DW bug for using weapons with the same attack speed. Jawbone will cause bigger deep wounds than Armageddon due to it's slower attack speed though, but that shouldn't amount a ~100k difference over the course of the fight though, especially as they are OH DW ticks.
I'll have to get a WWS from the next raid or screenshot my recount. It seriously is just strange. By every metric I had available except deep wounds damage, I was outperforming, but when DW damage is included my numbers were lower by a significant amount.
Loatheb is a gimmick anyhow, but if there is some kind of basic thing I'm doing that's screwing up DW, I want to iron it out before Ulduar.
Is it possible that I need to stop attacking the boss at like 5% to make sure DW ticks to completion because I'm constantly overwriting the buff and the boss is dying with 100k of DW left on it? I never see DW tick at 5 digits, so it seems unlikely.

Either way, I'm surprised other warrs haven't encountered this on Loatheb.

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Old 04/03/09, 3:19 PM   #772
Gellor
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Originally Posted by dysent View Post
I'll have to get a WWS from the next raid or screenshot my recount. It seriously is just strange. By every metric I had available except deep wounds damage, I was outperforming, but when DW damage is included my numbers were lower by a significant amount.
Loatheb is a gimmick anyhow, but if there is some kind of basic thing I'm doing that's screwing up DW, I want to iron it out before Ulduar.
Is it possible that I need to stop attacking the boss at like 5% to make sure DW ticks to completion because I'm constantly overwriting the buff and the boss is dying with 100k of DW left on it? I never see DW tick at 5 digits, so it seems unlikely.

Either way, I'm surprised other warrs haven't encountered this on Loatheb.
Have you compared the number of DW ticks each of you have been getting? Are they comparable? Or does he have more and ticking for more? It could just be the OH, but I can't see it making that much of a difference a small percintle maybe, but not 40%.

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Old 04/04/09, 9:46 AM   #773
iOryan
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Mannoroth
Quick question,

whats the best mod to alert a warrior when sunders are about to fade? (possibly 10 seconds before)

I'm a fury warrior, however we dont have any prot warriors in our guild.

I currently have power auras to alert me when other events happen, but sadly I couldn't figure out how to configure it to tell me when a debuff on target is about to fade.

Any help would be greatly appreciate!

Thanks.

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Old 04/04/09, 2:19 PM   #774
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SpellReminder tracks every debuff and buff you want it to (from every source).

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Old 04/04/09, 6:34 PM   #775
frzamonkey
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As a Tank the "protection gear quick reference" thread was helpful knowing which instances, etc. to go to get the best pieces for my set. Especially since dual spec is coming, is anyone working on similar Fury and Arms "quick reference" threads?

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Old 04/04/09, 8:28 PM   #776
Citygrl23
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Originally Posted by Birdemani View Post
As a main attack? No. Was she being tanked near the adds so you were hitting more than one target with your cleave?
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Perhaps one was close enough to get struck by the cleave but as fas as i could see at the time they were taken down and off the stage and we tank Grand Widow at the back of the stage.

As for the 3 points in Improved Cleave...the 8 extra rage isnt a big deal in a 25 man raid and look what it did for me on that one particular fight. Id rather have the 3 points in it than have points in something as useless as Commanding Presence ( for raiding spec )

And also, on Thaddius, the most ive ever done is about 4.8. This past week, using the improved cleave, i did 6.8.

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Old 04/05/09, 12:57 AM   #777
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Hi, I'm one of the guys who work on simulationcraft - Google Code

I started a warrior module a few days ago and there is a few questions regard deep wounds that I could not find exact sources about:
  1. Deep Wounds is 16/32/48% of weapon damage on crit as DoT, does this mean normalized or unnormalized weapon damage?

  2. Bloodthirst, am I right that it just uses the main hand for calculations? Nothing special to care about? Does it even trigger DW?

  3. Deep Wounds was doubledipping from damage modifiers, am I right that right now the only modifier that effects the DW-DoT is the Mangle/Trauma +30% bleed debuff?
Right now in my first ad hoc implementation I do something like this
On every crit, be it autoattack or a style:
Take the NORMALIZED weapondamage from the weapon involved in the attack (if none, assume mainhand)
Modify it to 16/32/48% according to the points in the DW talent, apply the DW DoT
The "rolling" mechanic of the DoT is already taken care off.
Ignite/PiercingShots-3.1 were way easier to do, because those only depend on the damage the critical hit dealt.

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Old 04/05/09, 2:31 AM   #778
Tyvi
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Originally Posted by Citygrl23 View Post
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Perhaps one was close enough to get struck by the cleave but as fas as i could see at the time they were taken down and off the stage and we tank Grand Widow at the back of the stage.

As for the 3 points in Improved Cleave...the 8 extra rage isnt a big deal in a 25 man raid and look what it did for me on that one particular fight. Id rather have the 3 points in it than have points in something as useless as Commanding Presence ( for raiding spec )

And also, on Thaddius, the most ive ever done is about 4.8. This past week, using the improved cleave, i did 6.8.

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You did better damage with cleave on Faerlina because you managed to hit one of their adds nearly full time. It makes sense to cleave there but it should never be your main attack on single target mobs. Heroic Strike does more damage and is cheaper. The fact that you got more DPS on Thaddius is not related to you cleaving because there is only one mob. It is related to better a) RNG b) better raid buffs c) faster kill time or d) all of the above.

Also, why would you call Commanding Presence a waste if you only run 1 Warrior for improved Commanding Shout?


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Old 04/05/09, 11:36 AM   #779
Citygrl23
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Human Warrior
 
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Originally Posted by Liar View Post
You did better damage with cleave on Faerlina because you managed to hit one of their adds nearly full time. It makes sense to cleave there but it should never be your main attack on single target mobs. Heroic Strike does more damage and is cheaper. The fact that you got more DPS on Thaddius is not related to you cleaving because there is only one mob. It is related to better a) RNG b) better raid buffs c) faster kill time or d) all of the above.

Also, why would you call Commanding Presence a waste if you only run 1 Warrior for improved Commanding Shout?
I asked if they wanted me to keep commanding up and they said it wasnt neccesary. Why? I don't know, but thats why i put the points in Imp Cleave

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Old 04/05/09, 11:50 AM   #780
Tyvi
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Originally Posted by Citygrl23 View Post
I asked if they wanted me to keep commanding up and they said it wasnt neccesary. Why? I don't know, but thats why i put the points in Imp Cleave
I suggest you do it anyway since it will be important in harder content so might as well practice it now (and imp Cleave really is a garbage talent since it only affects the bonus damage).


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