Reeshet, you are probably confusing somthing as no amount of dodge rating will increase your effective health.

Sorry, I should have been a bit clearer I guess. I use the spreadsheet with the boss profiles where threat and dps figure as weightings as well. It turns out that the agi gems are only better than dodge gems if you're taking threat/dps into account (due to that crit from agi then also has value), also they are only ~5-10% better unless you're valuing threat/dps higher than 20% in the weightings. The 10-20% was from a bugged version, where shield slam crits had too highdamage (I'm currently working on implementing the BV cap to SS in the sheet).

So all in all, for pure mitigation, dodge gems are better than agi gems for reasonable levels of dodge. It's actually pretty simple to calculate. The ratio of AEP values for dodge and agi is:
AEP_dr is the AEP value of dodge rating. Assume now that AEP_agitocrit is 0 (we don't care about threat/dps).
We know that
since they are subject to the same DR. So we get (with BoK and 1*healing armor buff):
This ratio hits one when AEP_dr goes below 4.96. I'm not sure at what kind of dodge percentage this happens, the AEP for dodge rating in my gear is 7.1 (with dodge at ~24.5% fully raidbuffed).

Thanks for clearing that up. I was not putting any value on agility as a threat stat.

When I ran the numbers, I could never come up with any realistic value where agility outweighed dodge in terms of survivability. When I did reach a number where agility was just barely higher than dodge the spreadsheet had put defense rating as a negative number. (Basically, I don't think there's any realistic situation where your AEP_dr will be 4.96).

If you're gemming for survival then dodge will still be better than agility if you absolutely have to have a red gem.

Time to live is not the same as effective health.

Dodge rating will increase the amount of time you can expect to live when getting beat on by a guy with an axe.

I could not find the answer to this by searching so I figured I'd ask here, What abilities should I prioritise over Bloodsurge procs as Fury, because it often happens that both WW or BT come of CD exactly when Bloodsurge procs, wich of them should I press 1st?

Thanks in advance.

Hello,

I have a question.....a noob question maybe but here it comes: Should I stay arms with my current gear or go fury? As fury I will socket everything with +20 str. of course, but will I do more dps then my current arms spec if I am gonna use Worldcarver(ilvl 232) axe with Sharpened obsidian edged blade(ilvl245) or will my dps compared to my currents arms spec with Hellion Glaive.

Well, I am seeing loads of ppl gemming for str. as fury

I am also seeing some of the top guild warriors from guilds like Stars, Premonition gemming for STR. Maybe it's a gear thing, cause when I gem for straight +STR I lose about 500-1k dps.

You're an arms warrior, so gemming for ArP is a lot better. But most fury warriors are gemming for strength. Atleast in my realm they do.

I think you are mistaken. Most of the top fury warriors out there in the world, like landsoul. They gem up to the soft cap of their trinkets like MR or GT, then there are others like Rekt, that gem straight ArP. I myself, have gemmed to the soft cap of my Mjolnir for ArP. I have noticed a very nice increase in dps. If i use another trinket besides MR, i gem straight ArP, and again. I see a increase. So i still see ArP being the way to go if you have a ArP trink(only to the soft cap) or even if you dont have a ArP trink(gemming as close to 100% as possible).

Listen carefully, stat values are dynamic. the value of each stat changes every time you change a piece of gear or a gem. the best thing to do is use landsoul's spreadsheet to determine the SEP for each stat with your current gear set-up and then gem accordingly.

Basically if you have grim toll or the runestone you should gem arp until you reach the soft cap, if you do not have one of those trinkets then you need a certain amount of passive arp before gemming for it becomes a dps increase. That is why some warriors gem for str while others gem for arp.

In conclusion, just use the spreadsheet.

Hey guys,

after noticing that many top guilds enchant their boots with stam/movement speed i was wondering if it is really worth losing 12 crit/hit. I guess there has already been a discussion about that anywhere here so i would be thankful if anyone could point me to the according thread.

Also i was wondering, for some hardmode/heroic fights having some mix-gems with stam to increase your survivability doesn't seem to be a bad idea to me, what's your opinion on that?

What a coincidence, Graubart: AeroWow | Walk This Way . In short, yes. It depends on the situation, but as a go-to enchant, absolutely.

I dont think that is necessary, because we already have one of the highest HP pool from all classes.

I know several bosses (such as patchwerk) do not gain parry haste any longer.

Does Gormok the Impaler still gain this benefit?
If yes, how much expertise should a tank for this fight have to not incur extra hits?

No. World of Warcraft - English (NA) Forums -> Recent In-Game Fixes - September 2009 - 9/22

I did post it looong ago (probably gone by now was like 2 years i think).

First to answer your question directly - it does reduce chance to crit from mobs. What you probably refer to - is the last change to resilience to reduce overall damage. That does NOT work for pve mobs (or obviously it would be kinda overpowered for tanking).

Resilience in pve has a bit interesting results. It does reduce the chance to be crit. What more it works BEFORE defense.

How is it important? Well first we need to "dispel some myths" about mobs crit chance. People tend to think mobs have 5% chance to crit you at equal level. Well thats not true at all. They have 5% + 0.04%*attack skill. With attack skill being 5*mob level it means a lvl 80 mob has 21% chance to crit a lvl 80 player. Now obviously players have defense skill reducing crit incoming by 0.04%*defense - so for player without extra defense its 16% crit reduction. The same applies to players too - they have 16% more crit chance then indicated - which is then reduced by the other players defense.

So overall defense and attack skill nullify each other and you are left with 5% crit for mobs and indicated crit for players. So why bother with it?

Because resilience works BEFORE defense. So if the lvl 80 mob has 21% crit rate for example, and you have 15% reduced crit chance from resilience (and 16% from defense of course), then the crit will look like this 85% chance to be hit (or missed/dodged etc just non crit) , and 15% chance to be crit with resilience converting to hit. Resilience "converted" crits still proc stuff like blood craze for example (or the other stuff for other classes).

This is mostly useful for mob grinding/leveling - but sometimes for other stuff too. For example a warrior in max stacked resilience can aoe grind mobs, and if hes specced into it, will have basically 100% uptime of blood craze - a non trivial heal at that stage.

I guess its mostly theorycrafting thing - but since its simple questions/answers thread I guess it can be useful to people leveling a warrior, or wishing to grind etc.

Hey all, I am having trouble finding up to date and detailed rotation information for fury. It seems wherever I seek it I get told a diffrent priority list (Use Slam Procs! first so you don't lose any procs. Or use WW first because it has the highest damage) needless to say I am getting more and confused.

I am looking for as much up to date information concerning the fury rotation as possible and greatly apprecaite any replies / link ect ect. Thank you very much =)

Does anyone know an addon that tracks all your short raid buffs and their uptime such as icy talons, rampage, unleashed rage etc? Would be interesting to see when you are missing a certain buff.

edit:
What I'm looking for is an addon that shows you when you are missing a certain buff category, the buff itself is not important just that the category is covered, eg "Melee Haste Buff", "Melee Critical Strike Chance Buff", "Bleed Damage Increase Debuff" etc etc. I hope that makes sense.

Utopia is an effective buff/debuff monitoring tool, though are certainly other similar mods floating around out there.

Ah yes, that's the kind of addon I was after. It looks a bit unpolished though, any other suggestions?

Define "polish". It's an extremely well-functioning addon that delivers relevant information quickly and dynamically. It is quite customizable in terms of what information is displayed, and how. It tracks stacks, takes into account talents (and which sources would provide a more improved buff/debuff), all that fun stuff. It can add a line on your buff tooltips to show the source of the buff/debuff, and if it's improved at all. Duration can be shown, and certain sources can be forced to show as "temporary (totems I know have this option, may be true for shouts as well). Most components can use custom colors/textures, too.

YouTube - Poor Play, Anub'arak, A Tribute to Skill / Mad Skill to see one possible setup in a raiding situation, where it's toggled to only show melee-relevant debuffs on the current target.

Man, I should do an infomercial for this thing.