[WotLK] Warrior: Simple Questions/Simple Answers - Page 74

Scabb_DMF · 07/01/09, 5:09 AM

Originally Posted by Kampfschaf

I am currently working on a concept that uses Landsoul's spreadsheet as datasource for a Silverlight Web-application, so that people who do not own Microsoft Office can also use the spreadsheet. Will take some time until release, though.

This would be very useful as the Mac Office suite doesn't support VisualBasic Macros either. Searching through the forums for answers to a lot of questions one usually reads "use the spreadsheet" and this is more than a little frustrating when you can't.

Thorhammar · 07/01/09, 11:19 AM

Sorry for the newbie question but I prefer to be a newbie than having the doubt on my head forever XD
What is exactly SEP? it's the ratio between 1 point of stat and the x%? like 1 point in STR = 2 AP?

Granger · 07/01/09, 1:00 PM

Originally Posted by Thorhammar

Sorry for the newbie question but I prefer to be a newbie than having the doubt on my head forever XD
What is exactly SEP? it's the ratio between 1 point of stat and the x%? like 1 point in STR = 2 AP?

Strength Equivalency Point. It tells you the value of a stat compared to 1 STR. If for example with your gear setup in the spreadsheet says that Armor Penetration is <1 you should gem STR as each point of STR will give you more gains than the same number of points of Armor Penetration. If it is >1 you will gain more (point for point) gemming that stat over STR.

dathala · 07/02/09, 4:33 AM

Im having problems as a Fury warrior raising my DPS on Thorim in the arena. im currently pulling around 3.7k spamming WW on CD and cleave aslong as i have rage but i just cant seem to get it higher. i have tried everything to pull it up but im still in mostly naxx25 gear with double death's bite. I tried going MS and it was relatively the same amount of DPS. Im gemmed for pure str except for my meta requirements would gemming for armor pen help? or am i just doing something wrong? or go MS again? or what? there is nothing else i can think of that i can do right now.

Kampfschaf · 07/02/09, 5:43 AM

WWS please, visionary orbs are down due to maintenance.

Pamis · 07/02/09, 6:05 AM

Now im kinda at a stump here, with SLAM procs and WW/BT relation to it. It seems after this rotation, BT,WW it is ok to push back the next BT because it won't lower the amount of BTs a warrior can get in on a fight. So BT,WW (delay) BT, WW. What i want to know is if there are any other times in a fury dps rotation where it is ok to push back a BT or WW on GCD by using slam.

Heavygear · 07/02/09, 2:53 PM

Originally Posted by dathala

Im having problems as a Fury warrior raising my DPS on Thorim in the arena. im currently pulling around 3.7k spamming WW on CD and cleave aslong as i have rage but i just cant seem to get it higher. i have tried everything to pull it up but im still in mostly naxx25 gear with double death's bite. I tried going MS and it was relatively the same amount of DPS. Im gemmed for pure str except for my meta requirements would gemming for armor pen help? or am i just doing something wrong? or go MS again? or what? there is nothing else i can think of that i can do right now.

You're below the expertise cap of 26.
You have more than enough hit @ 378, 164 is the minimum for Fury. If you lose a little hit while moving gear around, you'll be fine.
Don't worry about gemming for the socket bonus & don't gem for crit. Gem for Strength (after you hit 26 expertise.)
And, try the spreadsheet.

nomopofomo · 07/02/09, 5:00 PM

Highly confused about recent posts in the Fury thread.

I always thought that you should only use Bloodsurge procs on a free GCD which is only ever after a Bloodthirst that followed a Whirlwind. Is this correct or isn't it?

How big of a difference, if any, does weapon speed really make on when you should be using slam?

[sean.awesome] · 07/04/09, 6:35 PM

i use my bs procs when it will end within .5 seconds of WW or BT refreshing. weapons speed doesnt really play much into when i use slam since the proc is instant it doesnt do much to your swing timer. in most cases im spamming hs about 80% of the time and the procs come up so often i couldnt use them all if i wanted to. i just wonder if i should prioritize WW or BT, either way im getting about 3.5k+ dps on bosses and about 5-6k on trash.

Eleihugh · 07/05/09, 4:39 PM

I’m an ARMS Warrior at my wit’s end.

I know, I know “how dare he ask this.” I’ve read these forums and done extensive research and testing, I’ve even looked at the holy spreadsheet and I still can't get over 3.25-3.5k on a target dummy unbuffed. It’s my understanding that I need to be over 4k on a dummy to be pushing out the 5-6k that’s expected of me with full raid buffs.

I’ve tried the following rotations:

1.)Execute (when proc’d) > Overpower (when proc’d) > Mortal Strike // dump rage w/ Slam and HS and keep Bladestorm and Rend on CD

2.)Spam Slam unless Execute or OP procs keep Rend and Bladestorm on CD and MS only right before and after BS and to dump rage to get below ~60.

Both are pretty effective (in my experience) at getting 3-4K DPS in most ULD fights and over 5 on some. However, I’m told that with my gear I should be closer to 6k.

Any advice will be most appreciated, anything else, not so much … thanks guys.

Aw4 · 07/05/09, 4:45 PM

Could it be possible, that Hitrating has no effect on Demoralizing Shout?
Today on the Vezax pull I wanted to apply it, but it missed 2 times in a row.
And I'm Hit capped, 7,04% over gear and 1% from Heroic Presence.

I also made a little Test, where I applied Demoralizing Shout 1000 times on a Heroic Training Dummy and missed 73 of them.

Did anybody else notice something in this way?

[sean.awesome] · 07/05/09, 5:05 PM

Originally Posted by Aw4

I don't know whether this fits in here perfectly, but...well I'll break here, 'cause intros are always boring...just like this one...so

Could it be possible, that Hitrating has no effect on Demoralizing Shout?
Today on the Vezax pull I wanted to apply it, but it missed 2 times in a row.
And I'm Hit capped, 7,04% over gear and 1% from Heroic Presence.

I also made a little Test, where I applied Demoralizing Shout 1000 times on a Heroic Training Dummy and missed 73 of them.

Did anybody else notice something in this way?

Greetings
Aw4

Perhaps it has something to do with being in front? Although it seems more likely that melee hit rating isnt the same for the shout which is classified as a spell on Demoralizing Shout - Spell - World of Warcraft

Haphnet · 07/05/09, 9:16 PM

Originally Posted by Aw4

I don't know whether this fits in here perfectly, but...well I'll break here, 'cause intros are always boring...just like this one...so

Could it be possible, that Hitrating has no effect on Demoralizing Shout?
Today on the Vezax pull I wanted to apply it, but it missed 2 times in a row.
And I'm Hit capped, 7,04% over gear and 1% from Heroic Presence.

I also made a little Test, where I applied Demoralizing Shout 1000 times on a Heroic Training Dummy and missed 73 of them.

Did anybody else notice something in this way?

Greetings
Aw4

Don't sign your posts and don't use ellipses.

Anyway, were you looking at your melee hit rating or your spell hit rating?

Vitalstatistix · 07/05/09, 11:56 PM

Originally Posted by Haphnet

Anyway, were you looking at your melee hit rating or your spell hit rating?

Since 3.0 both melee hit and spell hit use the same hit rating. Your paper-doll values for both are the same. Precision, however, only affects melee hit.

EDIT:
While the two use the same rating, you are correct, Haphnet, that they convert to different reduced chances to miss (unlike crit or haste) and have different caps. I should have phrased my response in that context, which is more to the original point.

Haphnet · 07/06/09, 12:10 AM

Originally Posted by Vitalstatistix

Since 3.0 both melee hit and spell hit use the same hit rating. Your paper-doll values for both are the same. Precision, however, only affects melee hit.

The conversion for Melee hit and Spell hit are not the same. A given amount of hit rating will give you different percentages of Spell hit and Melee hit.