If you're doing same dps in stand-and-nuke bosses and dolls, something is horribly wrong. Are you running around too much, not actually dpsing the boss? Big lag, too low FPS?

Those rotations, they are basically the same, but on the second you skip MS for slam? I can't see how you would do more dmg that way.

I'm sure it's been covered multiple times in this thread or the arms thread, but you should rethink your priorities. Chainproccing sudden death isn't very propable, so no reason to prioritize it too high. Same with OP, you got 6 seconds until it can proc again. I'd do something like *OP proc* -> MS -> Slam -> sudden death proc -> OP -> execute-> MS and so on, always keep MS on cd. Also be very careful with cleave/HS, they can get you rage-starved quick. Spamming execute <20% is a dps loss usually as well, at least without BL/speed potion or such, not sure about going for 2x quick 1h:s for execute phase though.

What else do you expect? You are not at spellhit-cap, therefore your spells (shouts) will miss the appropriate amount of %. The same applies for taunt, but 100 taunts isn't nearly enough to properly test miss chances - RNG is too great for that. Just take the proven and tested values as a fact, and there you go.

So it is known, that some abilities are affected by spellhit. That was just what wanted to here. Thanks for that!

I know that this test is not meaningful and that wasn't my intention.
I only wanted to get the info, whether it can still miss or not.

Hi,

I'm looking for some advice on Warriors. I used to play one in BC and now I play a rogue. I'm an officer in our guild and we're working on hard modes so we're trying to get as much dps as possible. Since I'm the only officer who's played a Fury warrior before I took on the challenge of trying to get our fury warrior's dps up.

My question is extremely basic and I wanted the confirmation of the community on which talent spec is optimal currently.

To me, it looks like through my research that 19/52/0 is optimal.

Currently, this Fury warrior doesn't have any points in improved rend, no anger management, and has a point in improved cleave.

He also complains that he's rage capped often. Even with critical strikes on Heroic Strike only effectively costing him 2 rage, he should be able to keep heroic strike on constant cooldown. I've watched his rage bar and it does seem capped often. I also noticed he only has 21 total heroic strikes which leads me to believe he's just not dumping rage often enough.

Here is a link to his WWS on all the bosses we did on Wednesday this last raiding week. Any input you guys could give me would be greatly appreciated. World of Logs - Real Time Raid Analysis

Here is the standard WWS as well: Wow Web Stats

Armory Link: The World of Warcraft Armory

Please help me get his damage up. I know with his gear he is capable of much more.

Thanks.

To Vahanian:
He doesn't seem to use HS at all: 0,9% HS damage in the entire raid is like nothing. It should be among his top abilities, over 15 to 25% damage in every bossfight, except perhaps General Vezax.

As long as he is in shouting duties, I think this will be the best spec:
Talent Calculator - World of Warcraft

Further, he has socketed some hit and crit gems he should replace with strength ones. He doesn't seem to use the spreadsheet, I would advice him to do so. He should perhaps unlearn Mining and learn a new secondary profession like Jewelcrafting, that would boost his DPS further.

However, the most important thing is, that he should use HS every time he has excess rage, so he wasts at least rage as possible due to overcapping the rage bar. This is why his DPS is so low, because HS is one of the most important abilities of a fury warrior. It prevents a warrior from missing with the main hand hit, it prevents glancings and it increases the hit by converting it into a special strike with +495 damage, which on top benefits from Impale.

He should be heroic striking far more. For me heroic strike is usually at the top of damage contribution. I do get fairly aggressive with HS use though and sometimes find myself out of rage on consecutive misses. HS cost is actually rather complicated since it also costs the rage from the white hit it consumes. If he's getting rage capped anger management isn't going to help him.

He's consistently hitting a lot more WWs than BTs, they're usually about even for me - on WWS WW counts the same for mainhand and off so with a single target there's 2 WWs every 8 seconds as opposed to single BT every 4 so they should be roughly the same.

I never use rend, certainly not as a part of fury rotation - you can't rend in zerker stance. Some people put it up right off the pull, I guess I could do that but I don't, if for no better reason than not wanting to waste a keybind on it. Wouldn't think about putting talent points there.

Improved charge is a curious choice, but I suppose it doesn't really matter between that and iron will. His luxury points in fury are 2 in UW, 1 in cleave, 2 for execute. For the first three I put in booming voice and heroic fury; execute spam is a DPS loss over standard rotation for his gear, he can move those points (imp intercept for me) as well as the glyph (this he can switch to cleave.) These are all luxury choices it doesn't really matter for raid damage. He really should get booming voice since he also has commanding presence.

He really should get the darkmoon card it's a huge upgrade to mirror, and the prices have been coming down, at least on my server.

Thank you all very much for your repsonses!

You've given me much more to discuss with him. I was beginning to think it was a sever lack of Heroic Srikes and you all have confirmed that for me. I'm assuming the only reason he's currently getting rage capped is because he's not heroic striking enough so I'll suggest anger management and more heroic strikes to him.

Again, thank you all for the input!

@yumepenguin: He's also way over the style-hitcap. Especially his gloves and rings can be upgraded with ones without hit - 8% with precision or 5% without are all he needs.

Does Glyph of Cleave split the +225 innate threat evenly between the 3 targets or does the third target receive only the cleave damage?

I have 2 questions to determine if a warrior I know is using best practices or flat out wrong, as I suspect.

First, is Arms or Fury better at the moment? I saw the discussion just above this, which makes me think Fury. This warrior has this spec. Is that the best dps warrior spec atm?

Second, from my understanding he should be gemming straight strength, but he has it in his head that Armor Pen is boss and he gems mostly for it. Am I just ignorant to warriors, or is he stupid? I know Armor Pen is better since 3.1, but it seems to me its still just an "icing on the cake" sort of stat.

My single target dps as Arms is leaps and bounds better than as Fury. From what I hear, Fury gets better than Arms once you have BiS gear. I'm a long way before I get Ulduar BiS gear.

ArP is better for Arms warriors because Battle Stance grants a 10% ArP and the more ArP you have the better it gets for you. As such, Arms warriors gems for ArP and Fury warriors gems for strength.