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Old 07/09/09, 1:22 PM   #1126
Marnacleez
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Orc Warrior
 
Gorefiend
I've raided as both Arms and Fury with decent gear from Ulduar and for my gear, personally, Fury has yielded superior DPS. It's not the same for everyone and the best way to determine this (beyond personal preference) is to plug your gear sets for both respective specs into the spreadsheet and figure out which is better. I believe that with BiS weapons (Depravity for Arms, dual Voldrethars for Fury) and the best gear possible in every slot, Fury will come out ahead. Not only does it scale so well with gear, the playstyle is far more forgiving in fights where you have to concentrate on your surroundings, as well as allowing for extra GCDs for raid utility like shouts, sunders, etc. It's entirely realistic to compete for high damage as a warrior of either spec, but I don't think warriors will ever again be the sort of undisputed top damage they were during Naxx.

As far as Armor Penetration goes, it doesn't really matter what spec you are. The spreadsheet will reveal your SEP values with a gear setup, and you gem accordingly. In my Fury setup, ArP drops below 1 SEP, but in my Arms setup it has an SEP value of 1.8. I think most warriors you see with certain BiS gear probably run with Greatness/Runestone; with that trinket setup you mostly gem Strength to maximize DPS because of the trinket capping the stat, regardless of talent spec.

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Old 07/09/09, 1:56 PM   #1127
Vitalstatistix
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Shadow Council
A note about the spreadsheet that people seem to overlook:
Originally Posted by landsoul View Post
Please don't use the spreadsheet to determine if fury is better than arms or not. It's just a metric to determine what gear to acquire to get the most efficient output. You should try both specs if you want to see which is better for what fight.
Use it to figure out how to gear for each spec. Landsoul has improved it with each iteration and it is a lot better at approximating actual DPS on a single target, stationary fight. However, if you have similar gear and skill with each spec, the difference is going to be the fight mechanics. Are you hitting more than one target for a significant amount of time? Are there haste buffs/debuffs? And so on.

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Old 07/09/09, 2:01 PM   #1128
bchorn
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Night Elf Warrior
 
Icecrown
Originally Posted by Marnacleez View Post
I've raided as both Arms and Fury with decent gear from Ulduar and for my gear, personally, Fury has yielded superior DPS. It's not the same for everyone and the best way to determine this (beyond personal preference) is to plug your gear sets for both respective specs into the spreadsheet and figure out which is better. I believe that with BiS weapons (Depravity for Arms, dual Voldrethars for Fury) and the best gear possible in every slot, Fury will come out ahead. Not only does it scale so well with gear, the playstyle is far more forgiving in fights where you have to concentrate on your surroundings, as well as allowing for extra GCDs for raid utility like shouts, sunders, etc. It's entirely realistic to compete for high damage as a warrior of either spec, but I don't think warriors will ever again be the sort of undisputed top damage they were during Naxx.
Whenever people say they do more dps with Fury than Arms, I tend to believe it's because they haven't mastered the Arms rotation. Arms is much more complicated rotation than Fury so most people who switch to Arms and only hit buttons when procs happen tend not to do much dps as Arms. I've seen my own dps go up over the past two months as I've gotten better with the rotation. Just this week, I repositioned all my rotation abilities on my UI to be right next to each other and that led to another dps improvement.

BTW...the above dps discussion is single target only. Fury rules in multi-target fights like Razor and Thorim.

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Old 07/09/09, 3:59 PM   #1129
Thovargh
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Tauren Warrior
 
Anub'arak (EU)
Quick question:

Does having 2 same speed weapons still give you 1 extra flurry charge or did they fix it?

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Old 07/10/09, 6:43 AM   #1130
Termînator
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Quickie.

Armor pen and sunder armor.

If say a full 5 Sunders are on a boss. Would the max Armor pen you need be 75% or still 100% for a full penetration of armor with the 5 sunders up?

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Old 07/10/09, 7:23 AM   #1131
BeeLz
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Frostmane (EU)
Something very weird happened to me today in eye of the storm and I can't find any explanation.
A protection warrior reflect 2 pyroblasts in a row from me, they didn't land at the same time and there was no lag.

http://img291.imageshack.us/img291/5...ellreflect.jpg

Any idea how this could have happened?

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Old 07/10/09, 8:19 AM   #1132
Handyhoof
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Tauren Paladin
 
Lightbringer
Spell Reflect mechanic: The warrior gains a buff that allows for spell reflection. A spell is reflected upon finishing its cast, but the buff doesn't go away until the reflected spell completes its travel time. This means that any spell that finished casting on the warrior between those two times will also be reflected. I don't recall how it works with channeled spells such as mind flay, but I do know that every tick of the flay is reflected.

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Old 07/10/09, 8:44 AM   #1133
bchorn
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Night Elf Warrior
 
Icecrown
Originally Posted by Termînator View Post
Quickie.

Armor pen and sunder armor.

If say a full 5 Sunders are on a boss. Would the max Armor pen you need be 75% or still 100% for a full penetration of armor with the 5 sunders up?
Sunders work independently of your personal ArP. So even if you are maxed out at 100% ArP, your dps will improve with 5 sunders applied to the target.

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Old 07/10/09, 9:35 AM   #1134
Ertis
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Human Warrior
 
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What should a warrior tank put on his shield if he doesn't need +20 defense rating? I'm looking to increase survivability.

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Old 07/10/09, 9:57 AM   #1135
jamin1993
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First post on these forums, so hope I'm not breaking a rule by doing this.

I'm copying this post I made on the warrior forums, about bladestorm/whirlwind +sweeping strikes, over to here hopefully get a better insight to what I describe:

Link to my post: World of Warcraft (en) Forums -> Possible Bladestorm/WW + SS Bug..?

Thanks if anyone has any more information on this

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Old 07/10/09, 10:20 AM   #1136
Garm
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Originally Posted by Ertis View Post
What should a warrior tank put on his shield if he doesn't need +20 defense rating? I'm looking to increase survivability.
Your best options are [Titanium Plating] or [Enchant Shield - Major Stamina].

The Protection Gear Quick Reference thread is a great source for these type of questions.

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Old 07/10/09, 10:32 AM   #1137
Ertis
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Human Warrior
 
Stormreaver
Originally Posted by Garm View Post
Your best options are [Titanium Plating] or [Enchant Shield - Major Stamina].

The Protection Gear Quick Reference thread is a great source for these type of questions.
I'm still having trouble figuring out block: good, bad, indifferent?

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Old 07/10/09, 1:04 PM   #1138
Ballistae
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Originally Posted by Ertis View Post
I'm still having trouble figuring out block: good, bad, indifferent?
So is Blizzard, so don't feel too bad about that. This post in Finalizing the Prot Warrior design is a good reference to the value of 100 SBV, which is roughly that of the Titanium Plating after 3.2.

Last edited by Ballistae : 07/11/09 at 6:12 PM. Reason: spelling

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Old 07/10/09, 8:54 PM   #1139
MoonZapdos
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Darkmoon Faire (EU)
What would benefit a PvP Arms Warrior aiming for Hateful Gladiator and possibly Deadly Gladiator the most, stats-wise? [Runeblade of Demonstrable Power] or [Argent Skeleton Crusher]? I'm teaming with a Frost DK.

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Old 07/12/09, 9:47 AM   #1140
Anduryondon
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Undead Warrior
 
Blackrock (EU)
I would take the Mace. Better Stats and Mace Spec is > Sword Spec, even in PvP in my opinion.

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