[WotLK] Warrior: Simple Questions/Simple Answers - Page 86

Rannzor · 09/30/09, 9:16 AM

Howdi,

i've been already searching the in-depth fury dps discussion, and I know i've read it somewhere...but I can't find it

There was some action or macro on how to de-sync your weapons. My current weapons are 2x 3,5 speed and this gives tremendous rage bursts, usually doing it over the top when I both crit, and thus, a rage loss. And thats something we don't want !!

Any ideas/suggestions?

Vitalstatistix · 09/30/09, 10:58 AM

Originally Posted by Rannzor

Howdi,

i've been already searching the in-depth fury dps discussion, and I know i've read it somewhere...but I can't find it

From some guy named Saizul:
In-Depth Fury DPS Discussion

Emre · 09/30/09, 8:24 PM

What is the consensus for Sword Spec? Is it the new Arms spec for PvE or PvP?

Brunk · 10/01/09, 2:38 PM

From what I've already read in this same thread, sword spec is still not as good as the others, due to the internal cooldown. Arms is still great for PVE, I'm doing 5-6k in togc.

tehsux · 10/02/09, 7:14 PM

I've spent the last 48 hours going over all the threads here about Arms and ARP and Swords/Axes. My head is spinning.

A quick question

Is there a number for ARP Softcap? I do not have Grim or Runestone, but I have T9 2piece set and have gemmed all ARP. I do not have access to excell to check the spreadsheet to see if I should gem STR over ARP.

gerincahir · 10/03/09, 2:18 PM

I am a level 80 fury warrior.

My current stats are AP 4884
Hit 362
Crit 33.5
Exp 1/1
ArPen 44.87
I have 3/3 in Precision.
I was recently on a level 80 test dummy doing auto attacks while standing behind it and noticed some misses. I checked recount a few times and noticed that on my melee i had an 11% miss rating, 7% Glancing, 2% Dodge, 40% Hit and 40% Crit.
My miss rate concerns me.
I am gemmed and enchanted into strength and crit. I did enchant precision and hit onto gloves and bracers but the results were much the same.
I thought i was hit capped but now this has me a bit concerned. Am i not hit capped ? And if not what should i be ?
Also what is the recommended expertise level.

Las thing is i have an Edge Of Ruin and a Betrayer Of Humanity, i did manage to pick up a second EoR and i was wondering if that would be a better duel wield option due to the strength on the weapon.

Hoping to get some straight yet simple answers back.

Thx in advance for any answers and your time. Good luck.

Conen · 10/03/09, 7:50 PM

I have recently switched from arms to fury and have a few quick questions.
First off here are my stats.

Base stats
Strength: 1066
Agility: 304

Melee
Power: 3475
Crit: 26.76%
Hit Rating: 222
Penetration: 0
Haste: 186
Expertise: 214

What should i stack with my gems?(i am a JC) What should i be farming for gear?
Thanks again.

MrFong · 10/04/09, 6:21 AM

Originally Posted by Conen

I have recently switched from arms to fury and have a few quick questions.
First off here are my stats.

Base stats
Strength: 1066
Agility: 304

Melee
Power: 3475
Crit: 26.76%
Hit Rating: 222
Penetration: 0
Haste: 186
Expertise: 214

What should i stack with my gems?(i am a JC) What should i be farming for gear?
Thanks again.

I'm no top-end Warrior - which you'd know, of course, the moment you clicked on my Armory link - but I can tell you that first off, Arms could still possibly give you better numbers at your current gear level. Might be a toss-up? I'm really not too sure. If you really want to go Fury, though... well, you can drop close to 60 points of hit rating, thanks to the awesomeness that is Precision. In addition, if I'm not mistaken, you'd be stacking Strength all the way.

Having some issues with importing Armoury details into the spreadsheet, so I can't give you numbers from those.

Ah. You're in your tank gear.

Stryder · 10/04/09, 6:43 AM

Anyone know at what point, if at all, agility gems become better overall than dodge gems, considering diminishing returns and the armor bonus from agility?

Shha · 10/04/09, 9:38 AM

Agility-derived dodge, is subject to the same diminishing returns as far as i know.

Stryder · 10/04/09, 11:02 AM

Even so, does the armor bonus alone make up for it? I've seen some people use agility gems instead of dodge nowadays.

Gruntle · 10/05/09, 4:48 AM

Originally Posted by Stryder

Even so, does the armor bonus alone make up for it? I've seen some people use agility gems instead of dodge nowadays.

Hmm, I thought it wouldn't even come close but when looking at things in the tank spreadsheet it seems that agility gems are about 5-10% better than dodge gems. This is assuming that you have BoK, without BoK they are about equal. Also, it is in my gear with than 24.5% dodge (fully buffed including DR), with a standard 0.4 time-to-live, 0.4 burst survival, 0.2 threat weighting. If you use a pure mitigation weight (i.e. no threat) dodge gems are the better option. Not that it changes a lot of things, in principle it's only one gem that need to be red/purple.

Disclaimer: this is only spreadsheet findings so you may want to wait for a more experienced raid tank to give their comments.

edit: Clarified what weights were used, see Resheet's and my comment further down for a more detailed discussion.

yourmajesty · 10/05/09, 5:37 AM

What in your opinion is the best DPS rotation for a Prot warrior, OH-weapon and shield spec ?

jozga · 10/05/09, 10:52 AM

What in your opinion is the best DPS rotation for a Prot warrior, OH-weapon and shield spec ?

You can't devastate with an OH weapon anymore, so the best dps rotation is the same as the best tanking rotation. Maybe with a slow weapon, 2-set T8 and 2-set T9 it might be more dps to prioritise Devastate more but that's just speculation.

Kivothe · 10/05/09, 11:04 AM

Originally Posted by gerincahir

I am a level 80 fury warrior.

My current stats are AP 4884
Hit 362
Crit 33.5
Exp 1/1
ArPen 44.87
I have 3/3 in Precision.
I was recently on a level 80 test dummy doing auto attacks while standing behind it and noticed some misses. I checked recount a few times and noticed that on my melee i had an 11% miss rating, 7% Glancing, 2% Dodge, 40% Hit and 40% Crit.
My miss rate concerns me.
I am gemmed and enchanted into strength and crit. I did enchant precision and hit onto gloves and bracers but the results were much the same.
I thought i was hit capped but now this has me a bit concerned. Am i not hit capped ? And if not what should i be ?
Also what is the recommended expertise level.

Las thing is i have an Edge Of Ruin and a Betrayer Of Humanity, i did manage to pick up a second EoR and i was wondering if that would be a better duel wield option due to the strength on the weapon.

Hoping to get some straight yet simple answers back.

Thx in advance for any answers and your time. Good luck.

First things first. You are not a rogue - don't worry about hitting the hard cap for your auto-attacks as hiting harder with your specials is your goal. You need to be at 5% plus 3/3 in precision. Anything over the 8% is 'almost useless'. I say this because you are better geming and enchanting your gear for AP, ArP or Strength. Extra hit on white attacks will always boost your rage and allow for more HS (to the point you can honestly spam HS between WW, slam procs, and BT), but is not necessary.

The Soft cap, hiting with all special attacks is 163 with 3 points in precision. This should be your goal, especially with higer end gear, as there is not a lot of hit rating on it regardless. As a fury Warrior - you also need to increase yoru Exp rating. 214, 26/26 is the hard cap - and should be another goal for you atm. Other than that - I don't know what else to tell you. These topics are discussed in depth on the Fury Warrior DPS section of these threads. It's all in there 100 times and should also help you further increase your toons capabilities.

Hope that helps.