[WotLK] Warrior: Simple Questions/Simple Answers - Page 99

OryionSoE · 01/05/10, 4:49 PM

I am considering getting back into my warrior, who in which I haven't played very much since the release of 3.2, I feel that I have lost my touch completely concerning him, I have two weapons in which I could do Fury or Arms, but my major concern is from playing a DK, I am used to having a set rotation, and I know Warriors right now are sorta "Simon-Says"-ish at the moment with the procs for skills and such, but I was wondering if someone here could give me a synopsis on the "rotations" or the priorities at least for both specs?

I am used to the threads like over in the DK forums where they have a basic synopsis of everything for the specs the threads are dedicated to, so since I am lacking that sort of information in this forum, I was wondering if someone could provide me with what I asked for a bit earlier in the post.

Saian · 01/06/10, 6:19 AM

Arms: Charge -> Rend -> MS -> (EXE on procc) -> SLAM (filler and rage dump) etc. (keep HS queued if you have enough rage)
Fury: WW -> BT -> (SLAM on procc) (keep HS queued if you have enough rage)

jaofos · 01/06/10, 11:06 AM

I have a question concerning Heroic Strike. I see other Arms warriors claiming that HS shows up #1 on their damage charts, and I'm at a loss as to exactly how some warriors are accomplishing this. It seems during fights I barely have the rage to get off maybe 1 HS at the most every 3-4 Mortal Strike's. As soon as I pop HS in the "ideal" conditions (80+ rage, next ability is OP or Rend), the next MS -> Exe proc dumps my rage down to 0 and I have to wait on an auto-attack for the next MS.

Should I be skipping Slam fillers and Exe procs to queue up Rage for HS's? I feel like I"m missing a major piece of the puzzle here. My DPS is tops out at about 6.1k on Saurfang and I feel like I should be able to do much, much better.

edit:
The priority I'm using currently is: Rend > MS > OP > Execute > Slam, and under 20% Rend > OP > Execute

Wtbanswers · 01/06/10, 6:37 PM

Originally Posted by Miloh

Blue Post on Deathbringer's Will

Looks like ArP may be removed from [Deathbringer's Will]--at least for Warriors, as we are most likely to "readily cap it" (vis three pieces of tier ten having Armor Penetration).

I'm not proposing any new theorycrafting just yet, as any possible changes are a great big unknown. However, everyone should consider possible changes to this trinket when [Tiny Abomination in a Jar] starts getting the spotlight this week.

Arp proc has indeed been removed, replaced by haste.

markabey · 01/07/10, 8:28 AM

I'm going through my performance in logs, and I find I sometimes let sunders drop off the target. I have set up an MSBT trigger to make a sound when sunders expire, but it won't warn me before all the stacks are lost.

Does anyone use or know of a mod that will notify (preferably audible) before a debuff expires so it can be refreshed?

Something like a 6 second warning would be great.

ZeTodu · 01/07/10, 9:15 AM

Originally Posted by markabey

I'm going through my performance in logs, and I find I sometimes let sunders drop off the target. I have set up an MSBT trigger to make a sound when sunders expire, but it won't warn me before all the stacks are lost.

Does anyone use or know of a mod that will notify (preferably audible) before a debuff expires so it can be refreshed?

Something like a 6 second warning would be great.

Elkano Buff Frames, Sattrina Buff Frames, DoTimer...

Seregon · 01/07/10, 1:10 PM

Hey, im currently Def-Tank only, but i have a question regarding the Exalted Ashern Verdict Melee DPS Ring. My Guild's officer says its worse than TotGC25 Strength-Rings because it has Agility over Strength, but im pretty sure the Proc and the high statbudged makes it better than most Rings out there.

Can anyone give me some calculations on that topic?

I made a comparison in Terms of Attack Power:
Item Comparison Tool - World of Warcraft

Ashern Verdict Ring = 223 AP (without Proc)
Ring of the Violent Temperament Hero = 206 AP
Might of Blight = 218 AP

Thorgrim · 01/07/10, 3:13 PM

The ring choice I expect will come down to how much use you can make out of the hit rating it carries. Pretty hard to make a recommendation in a vaccuum without knowing what other pieces you can swap around or re-gem or re-enchant from that hit rating gain.

PDonz · 01/08/10, 5:26 AM

My entire time DPSing as Fury I've both specced and glyphed Cleave, never Execute, even on single target boss fights. However, with the current iteration of Landsoul's spreadsheet, and this could just be my gear (or lack thereof), I'm noticing that when swapping out Glyph of Cleaving for Execution, Execute passes both Bloodsurge-Slam and Heroic Strike in 'weighted value.' That being said, is it beneficial to change my skill hierarchy to: WW > BT > Execute (glyphed) during Execute range, on single target fights? In other words, do NOT use Heroic Strike or Bloodsurge-Slam during Execute Range. Note that you shouldn't rage cap when using Execute that frequently. Or is it already common practice to glyph/spec Execute on fights where Cleave is not needed?

catch22atplay · 01/08/10, 6:44 AM

Seregon using the spreadsheet and using myself as fury as an example. Using my current gear. I'll compare the exulted ring to Heroic Ring of Violent Temperament. A very decent ring which i currently use and the best str ring in toc 25. Now i'll add 800 hit rating to remove hit completely ie make it worth zero. The exulted ring still beats it by 59dps. Now let's say i'm at the soft hit cap aka 8% and don't really need the hit except to increase offhand hits. The exulted ring beats it by 136dps. Now let's say you actually needed 59 hit rating to become soft hit capped. Exulted ring now beats it by 248dps. With the last example you'd probably swap gear around. Swap a hit bracer or neck for ArP to try to get the full effect for instance. Pretty much as Thorgrim pointed out. Close to the same results for Arms. In fact the Revered ring beat it in all cases as well with my gear. Proc was included.

Grimwhore · 01/08/10, 1:39 PM

How do i get the third thing into a simple macro?
I want the macro to pop my Hyperspeed accelerator (engi haste ench for gloves) Death Wish and Recklessness at the same time, here is what it looks like atm:
/script UIErrorsFrame:Hide()
/use 10
/script UIErrorsFrame:Clear(); UIErrorsFrame:Show()
/cast Death Wish
/cast Recklessness

Tho only the hyperspeed and Death Wish gets popped, the third thing on the list doesnt work..

DK10 · 01/08/10, 1:46 PM

Originally Posted by Grimwhore

How do i get the third thing into a simple macro?
I want the macro to pop my Hyperspeed accelerator (engi haste ench for gloves) Death Wish and Recklessness at the same time, here is what it looks like atm:
/script UIErrorsFrame:Hide()
/use 10
/script UIErrorsFrame:Clear(); UIErrorsFrame:Show()
/cast Death Wish
/cast Recklessness

Tho only the hyperspeed and Death Wish gets popped, the third thing on the list doesnt work..

Deathwish and Reck are on the global cooldown which means only one can be activated as part of a 1 push macro.

Kylex · 01/08/10, 3:01 PM

I'm currently trying to get my warrior tuned.
After reading through several ressources and developing my charakter , I now came accross Rawr. After reading the first few instructions I set it up accordingly and run some optimization.
Well, it seems for Rawr theres a ton of improvement possible.
The one things, that's bugging me is that Rawr does not use ArP Gems(mostly Crit !! and Str gems) for my warrior even though I got the Needle Encrusted Scorpion trinket.
It doesn't even try to get 100% armor pen proccd even though i could reach it with socketing ArP Gems.
On most discussions about fury dps socketing ArP to cap it procced seems to be the major opinion.

So, can i trust Rawr and be sure, that regemming will give me a big boost like Rawr says? Or does there have to be a bug in calculation?

Ronninn · 01/08/10, 3:23 PM

Hi Kylex, I tried to checking your toon out on wowarmory, but it seems your Profile is Unavailable for the time being and as a result I can't load you character into Rawr to see why you’re getting the results that you saw. Without verifying your current stats the only thing I can recommend is that under the Tools > Edit Gemming Templates, you check that Fractured Cardinal Ruby's are selected for one of your templates. If they aren't this could be the reason Rawr isn't recommending ArP gems in the Optimizer tool. If you do have that set up correctly, I'll have to wait until I'm able to load your character before offering any advise other than that.

Kylex · 01/08/10, 3:49 PM

Hi Ronninn, it was my fault that I didn't update my armory profile to reflect the warrior.
The Gemming Templates show that Fractured Cardinal Rubys are checked. I also did check them all at the right side under Slot:Gems. I did check all sane available Epic Gems, as well as all sane Metas and Jewelcrafter-only gems.

Since I got some nice upgrades from ICC10 I ofc also included them.

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That's an XML from my character with the options which I selected.
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