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Old 01/20/10, 2:22 PM   #2476
CiATRiX
Glass Joe
 
Dwarf Warrior
 
<Coh>
Bronzebeard
Page: FURY, LOOKUP
Error Type: REFERENCE, CALCULATION
Include a brief description of the error: It appears that the item level for "Sanctified Ymirjar Lord's Shoulderplates" comes up as 277 for both Heroic and non herroric (264). That stats are correct in the lookup page for both, just the item level is wrong. When I do the Armory lookup it put the heroic shoulds on me insteade of the 264 ones.

Thanks!

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Old 01/20/10, 4:46 PM   #2477
landsoul
Myrmidon Champion
 
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Worgen Warrior
 
Alterac Mountains
The shoulder bug has been isolated and fixed and will be ready for the next version. If you care to fix it yourself please visit the error details on the first post.

[quote=Graul;1530881]What's the current working model for the interaction between the four piece bonus and the default Bloodsurge/Sudden Death procs that happen after?[quote]

If you look deep into the rotations part of the fury page (the flowchart area), if t10 is active it allows the rotations to follow into possible optimal periods with 1.0s slams. You can check to see the percentage of occurrence of each rotation in the chart there as well. It also takes into consideration the chance to have a regular slam or 4t10 slam charge or 2 charges going into the next period.

Arms rotations with 4t10 is still being worked on as it needs a more dynamic solution than fury, as there are exponentially more possible rotations. At the moment there is no support for 4t10 in arms.

Last edited by landsoul : 01/20/10 at 4:53 PM.

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Old 01/20/10, 4:51 PM   #2478
Burnbristle
Glass Joe
 
Dwarf Warrior
 
Argent Dawn
Page: LOOKUP
Error Type: REFERENCE, CALCULATION
Socket bonus on [Ashen Band of Endless Vengeance] is incorrectly listed as +4 Crit. Just received my ring last night and socket bonus is actually +4 AGI. Simple fix and minimal DPS impact, but thought I'd report it for accuracy's sake.

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Old 01/20/10, 10:25 PM   #2479
Hatchet81
Glass Joe
 
Orc Warrior
 
Auchindoun (EU)
Orc racial expertice bonus

Axe expertice from orcs racial is not working correct when I have axe in MH and mace in OH, still shows the same amount of expertice on both hands displayed in the spread sheet.

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Old 01/21/10, 6:36 AM   #2480
Rurik
Von Kaiser
 
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Human Warrior
 
Arathor (EU)
Originally Posted by PantheraOnca View Post
7100 Hits.
774 Procs.
10.9014%
New session

1160 hits.
138 procs

New subtotal
8260 hits
912 procs
11.0411%

Edit: And another one

2113 hits
241 procs

New subtotal:
10373 hits
1153 procs
11.115%

I don't know how much data you need, but 11% seems to be the case indeed.

Last edited by Rurik : 01/21/10 at 11:31 AM.

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Old 01/21/10, 11:24 AM   #2481
Statix
Glass Joe
 
Undead Rogue
 
Icecrown
Originally Posted by Hatchet81 View Post
Axe expertice from orcs racial is not working correct when I have axe in MH and mace in OH, still shows the same amount of expertice on both hands displayed in the spread sheet.
It is working, it just doesn't display 2 different values. You can see the affects in the whirlwind table as well as the table for "melee, heroic strike and flurry" and possibly others.

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Old 01/21/10, 2:40 PM   #2482
Erithramycin
Glass Joe
 
Human Warrior
 
Shadowsong
I'm having a problem like Ramskull's (comments 2424, 2443, 2445): My armor/weapon stats are importing correctly, but my doll numbers are way off. E.g., the spreadsheet lists my unbuffed AP at 3846 when it is 4151, crit at 34.87% when it is 36.34%, etc.

I followed the instructions. Macros are set properly. I've deleted and re-imported several times. And I've run SEP many times. (I'm using Excel 2007.)

I didn't see anyone offer Ramskull a clear fix. Any suggestions?

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Old 01/21/10, 5:50 PM   #2483
WibbleNZ
Glass Joe
 
Draenei Warrior
 
Proudmoore
Originally Posted by Erithramycin View Post
I'm having a problem like Ramskull's (comments 2424, 2443, 2445): My armor/weapon stats are importing correctly, but my doll numbers are way off. E.g., the spreadsheet lists my unbuffed AP at 3846 when it is 4151, crit at 34.87% when it is 36.34%, etc.

I followed the instructions. Macros are set properly. I've deleted and re-imported several times. And I've run SEP many times. (I'm using Excel 2007.)

I didn't see anyone offer Ramskull a clear fix. Any suggestions?
Page: LOOKUP
Error Type: TYPO
[Legplates of the Violet Champion] STR should be 115 not 98.

Also affecting Erithramycin:
- Shoulder bug (iLvl for [Pauldrons of Trembling Rage] should be 245)
- Armory is not displaying the blue socket in [Conqueror's Siegebreaker Battleplate], yet the socket bonus appears active.

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Old 01/21/10, 6:10 PM   #2484
Erithramycin
Glass Joe
 
Human Warrior
 
Shadowsong
Thank you, WibbleNZ. This fixed it.

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Old 01/21/10, 11:28 PM   #2485
Lantador
Glass Joe
 
Human Warrior
 
Ravencrest (EU)
Page: LOOKUP
Error Type: TYPO

[Rotface's Rupturing Ring]

Socket bonus ingame is +4 Armor Penetration Rating, listed as +4 Strength in the spreadsheet lookup page.

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Old 01/22/10, 5:03 PM   #2486
Ran Newman
Von Kaiser
 
Orc Warrior
 
Terokkar (EU)
Is it possible to see damage chart for Thunder Clap in the next version? I switched to mace spec lately and it seems like the extra strength I gained increased TC damage considerbly (I am tanking in 5m in most of my dps gear) . It would be intresting to see how good it becomes when there is more then one target - Such as, using it insted of slam. It will cost less rage (since you don't lose swing time), so there will be more rage availble for cleave, and with the 15% extra crit over slam it will keep higher DW uptime on the targets, which might increase T10 2-pieces (bloodboil?) uptime.

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Old 01/22/10, 6:35 PM   #2487
Kaistlin
Glass Joe
 
Night Elf Warrior
 
Hyjal
Originally Posted by Ran Newman View Post
Is it possible to see damage chart for Thunder Clap in the next version? I switched to mace spec lately and it seems like the extra strength I gained increased TC damage considerbly (I am tanking in 5m in most of my dps gear) . It would be intresting to see how good it becomes when there is more then one target - Such as, using it insted of slam. It will cost less rage (since you don't lose swing time), so there will be more rage availble for cleave, and with the 15% extra crit over slam it will keep higher DW uptime on the targets, which might increase T10 2-pieces (bloodboil?) uptime.

I don't think Landsoul really models for more than one target in a fight. I can tell you that if there's more than a couple targets, I keep TC on CD in order to increase the uptime of my 2pc T10. On a single target, I doubt it'd ever be a DPS increase to hit TC over Slam.

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Old 01/22/10, 6:46 PM   #2488
Ran Newman
Von Kaiser
 
Orc Warrior
 
Terokkar (EU)
Obviously the spreadsheet is only for single target, and using TC on single target is a DPS lose. However damage chart of this would still be useful since by knowing how much it hits on one target, you can know how much it hits on more.

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Old 01/23/10, 7:57 PM   #2489
Matsujinn
Glass Joe
 
Undead Warrior
 
Turalyon
Yes, and you may want to read up on how Armor Penetration works.

Edit - Ever since the Engineering change to the Hand Mounted Pyro Rocket I've been using that on cooldown as a hand enchant for Arms. Any chance to get that on the spreadsheet to see how it compares to other enchants? As it is, I assume it's the best enchant, but we know what happens when people assume.

Last edited by Matsujinn : 01/23/10 at 9:47 PM.

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Old 01/24/10, 5:24 AM   #2490
landsoul
Myrmidon Champion
 
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Worgen Warrior
 
Alterac Mountains
I could have a damage chart sure. Up to 8 targets I suppose?

New update will probably be with Wrathful Gladiator gear and error fixes.

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Old 01/24/10, 9:22 AM   #2491
Megalith
Glass Joe
 
Tauren Warrior
 
Jaedenar (EU)
Crit cap and beyond

When passing the crit cap in the spreadsheet crit still gives a dps gain. What is happening there. Does this mean that specials are crit capped but white attacks are not? I also thought hit would be better than crit to raise the crit cap further, but when testing crit is still stronger. What are the mechanics behind this?

Edit: Tested again. Now hit is 0,75 and crit 0,60 when past 8% hit but 130 over crit cap. Still would be very interesting to hear what the crit cap means for gearing?

Last edited by Megalith : 01/24/10 at 9:39 AM.

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Old 01/24/10, 9:48 AM   #2492
Rysidion
Von Kaiser
 
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Tauren Warrior
 
Jaedenar
Originally Posted by Megalith View Post
When passing the crit cap in the spreadsheet crit still gives a dps gain. What is happening there. Does this mean that specials are crit capped but white attacks are not? I also thought hit would be better than crit to raise the crit cap further, but when testing crit is still stronger. What are the mechanics behind this?

Edit: Tested again. Now hit is 0,75 and crit 0,60 when past 8% hit but 130 over crit cap. Still would be very interesting to hear what the crit cap means for gearing?
The Crit Cap refers to the white crit cap, which occurs when your crit rate surpasses 100% - Glance Rate - Miss Rate - 4.8% automatic "hit" rate. The reason why crit still adds benefit beyond this point is due to it still benefiting the special crit rate. Hit is higher because it allows you to convert some of those misses on the white hit table to crits by converting them first to hits, then those hits into crits (depending on how much over the white crit rate you are).

Now, that being said, it doesn't seem logical that adding an additional percentage of hit (converted into crit if you are over the crit cap) to white damage would add more benefit than adding crit to your yellow damage only, which makes up most of your damage breakdown. I suppose the reason this occurs is because it takes less hit to equal 1% than it takes crit. Even so, white damage only makes up around 15-20% of my damage, with a pretty good chunk of my main hand swings turning into Heroic Strikes anyway. I'm sure it boils down to how rage generation is affected and things of that nature (Heroic Strike frequency in particular).

Last edited by Rysidion : 01/24/10 at 10:07 AM.

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Old 01/25/10, 3:00 AM   #2493
Glutton
King Hippo
 
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Blood Elf Paladin
 
Kalecgos
Originally Posted by Rurik View Post
I don't know how much data you need, but 11% seems to be the case indeed.
DK and Retribution testing has shown that the value is exactly 2 PPM, or 11.3(repeating)% chance on hit for a 3.4 base speed weapon.

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Old 01/25/10, 3:48 PM   #2494
ebs2002
Von Kaiser
 
Orc Warrior
 
Sisters of Elune
Page: LOOKUP
Error Type: TYPO
Sabatons of Lifeless Night have 64 crit rating, lookup page shows 46.

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Old 01/26/10, 2:24 AM   #2495
Paracetamol
Glass Joe
 
Human Warrior
 
Thaurissan
SUGGESTION

Is there any chance you could add in a way to see what the socket bonus is even if it is not active?

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Old 01/26/10, 5:35 AM   #2496
samot
Von Kaiser
 
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Goblin Warrior
 
Nethersturm (EU)
If Landsoul decides to implement my tooltip feature you could simply rightclick onto an item name to see its stats (and socket bonus) - if wowheads.com knows them (they miss some socket bonuses at the new items)

PS: current version:
English: WarriorDPS2.601Excel07_trans.xlsm
German: WarriorDPS2.601Excel07_ger.xlsm

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Old 01/26/10, 7:21 PM   #2497
Jarheaded
Glass Joe
 
Orc Warrior
 
Thaurissan
The str version of the Ashen Verdict rings are out. Just thought you might like to add it in

Requires The Ashen Verdict - Friendly

Ashen Band of Might

+91 Strength
+91 Stamina
Equip: Improves critical strike rating by 53.
Equip: Improves hit rating by 53.

Requires The Ashen Verdict - Honored

Ashen Band of Greater Might

+98 Strength
+98 Stamina
Equip: Improves critical strike rating by 57.
Equip: Improves hit rating by 57.

Requires The Ashen Verdict - Revered

Ashen Band of Unmatched Might

+98 Strength
+98 Stamina
Equip: Improves critical strike rating by 57.
Equip: Improves hit rating by 57.
Equip: Chance on hit to increase your attack power by 480 for 10 sec.

Requires The Ashen Verdict - Exalted

Ashen Band of Endless Might

+99 Strength
+107 Stamina
Yellow Socket
Socket Bonus: +4 Strength
Equip: Improves critical strike rating by 59.
Equip: Improves hit rating by 59.
Equip: Chance on hit to increase your attack power by 480 for 10 sec.

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Old 01/26/10, 11:11 PM   #2498
hikarodesu
Glass Joe
 
Tauren Warrior
 
Demon Soul
So now the question is, is that new STR ring worth it over the agility one? From quickly looking over the stats you gain 260AP (99*1.1*1.2STR) - 135AP = 125AP, V.S losing 88AGI or 1.41%crit. For my personal situation I would like to think that the crit is worth more, because I am not that high on crit, but overall what are your thoughts?

EDIT: actually 1.55% crit, I forgot to multiply the agi by kings.

Last edited by hikarodesu : 01/26/10 at 11:20 PM.

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Old 01/27/10, 1:20 AM   #2499
Durabolin
Glass Joe
 
Human Warrior
 
Cho'gall
Originally Posted by hikarodesu View Post
So now the question is, is that new STR ring worth it over the agility one? From quickly looking over the stats you gain 260AP (99*1.1*1.2STR) - 135AP = 125AP, V.S losing 88AGI or 1.41%crit. For my personal situation I would like to think that the crit is worth more, because I am not that high on crit, but overall what are your thoughts?

EDIT: actually 1.55% crit, I forgot to multiply the agi by kings.

I edited the agi ring in LS's spreadsheet with the strength stats so I'm assuming same proc, and received almost a 40 DPS loss.

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Old 01/27/10, 2:51 AM   #2500
Shha
King Hippo
 
Night Elf Warrior
 
Scilla
The only situation when STR ring will come close to Agi one(and MAYBE, just maybe, ahead, but even then doubtful), is if you are vastly over crit cap. If they made it "fairly", as in not making it 20 more stamina then agility one, it could be a situational upgrade/downgrade. As it is the extra stamina puts it slightly below agi version for people with high crit, and even lower for those without.

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