Yeah I played around with the stats under "Manual Modification" (+99str, -135AP, -88AGI) rather than the ring's stats and it showed a DPS loss for me and even the other warrior in our guild who is over crit cap. Would have been nice if blizzard would have put ArP on it or something.

The STR rings are pretty bad for us compared to the 5-stat AGI counterparts. Who knew?

I know myself and others are exceeding the spreadsheet dps value on Festergut. I use these settings.

Reaction time 250ms
Latency 100ms
Incoming damage 1,000 per second (this puts Heroic Strike use at 100% in case anyone misses that)

I have not changed the rotation from the default value. I probably react a bit better than what i have it set for, not sure. My latency is probably closer to 79ms or so. I use Deathwish 3 times and hit Recklessness during Deathwish but when there's an open GCD. 1 armor pot before the fight and another mid way thru the fight.

I know a lot of people are using Festergut as the boss for checking dps with the spreadsheet. Kinda like we did with Patchwerk. If this is the case can the spreadsheet be changed to a default rotation of 300 seconds instead of 360 seconds. Also can the rotation ie BT, WW, Slam, Exe totals be updated as well. Or will it work well enough just changing the values to x0.8333 of their current values?

Manually doing this puts me on average below what the spreadsheet says. Which is more accurate. It just seems we should have Festergut in the spreadsheet as our default boss for checking dps as this is what everyone tests their dps on currently.

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suffer, actually it does factor in the extra rage. I did say i have incoming damage set to 1,000. This equals 100% Heroic Strike use btw. Editing previous post to specifically state this so it won't be missed by others.

Sourfang is not a good way to test dps as adds can proc the T10 2 piece bonus more often than normal. Some people use the AoE strat and some don't. Festergut we all fight that boss the same way. Stand still and optimize your rotation. Stacking of buffs and weaving in pots, abilities, etc during an open GCD.

I'm not quite sure what you want - there is always going to be a difference between what you do in reality and what the spreadsheet says you do. Its a comparative tool, not an absolute one. If you want to check out how gearing/buffs etc effect a specific length fight with a certain amount of inc. damage then change the values as you have but the default values should just be for the 'average' fight as they are now.

No, it does not default to simulate a 6 minute fight. It defaults to simulate an infinitely long fight. You have to physically turn on a custom rotation. Are you reading what the tooltips say? Or are you reading what the tooltips say and they are misleading or confusing? Please describe.

It would be nice if the spreadsheet would do something similar to what Rawr does with respect to fight duration and procs. If you set a fight duration, the uptime of ICD-type procs (such as on-use trinkets, racials, bloodlust) is mapped to that duration instead (ie, in a 300sec fight BL/Heroism would have a 13.333% uptime, as opposed to a 6.6667% uptime). Sure, for trinkets you'll have edge cases where changing the fight duration by 15secs could favor a 45sec ICD trinket over a higher level 60sec ICD one, but if you're specifying a duration, that means you're targetting a specific fight, which means you want to optimize for that fight and not just "all fights".

(For reference, Rawr's DPSWarr model has an option called "Use Duration for Special Effects" or something similar, which toggles this calculation on/off, since fight duration cannot be turned off).

I think ebs is accurately depicting what i was asking for. Call it an infinite time length. But it's more or less a 10 minute fight because of Blood/Heroism. Although you could easily say a 10 minute repeating fight. Well what about the fights that are under 10 minutes?

About changing the rotation from default to custom. Thanks for clearing it up. I guess what i really wanted was to be able to change the duration and have the WW, BT, Slam and executes amounts update as well. I don't really want to change their value manually to find a better rotation as i doubt there is one. Basically i'd like to change heroism/bloodlust to 1/5min, the fight duration, inc damage and see what the new dps is. Then i could also look at logs and check how many WW, BT, Slams, etc i missed vs the spreadsheet. This way i can look for ways to improve and get a more accurate dps value for each boss. I'd then be able to change the settings for each boss i'd like to check. As we start downing these bosses quicker the dps should go up. But the Spreadsheet currently stays the same.

I will quote the OP. "The following spreadsheet is the product of the need for a user friendly and accurate DPS calculation and gear selection tool". I will not argue that the spreadsheet is a great tool for choosing gear. However i'd like it to be a bit more accurate and user friendly a tool for showing the correct dps i should be doing vs a given boss in a given time period. You could even change that quote to "user friendly and accurate DPS calculation, rotation, amount of ability uses and gear selection tool". Ok, maybe a bit to far reaching.

And if it isn't changed in any way at all i'm ok with it. I'm still rather amazed at it's current accuracy. Which is damn near spot on. Just some thoughts and ideas for improvement.

Knowing that in a future patch all leather/mail items will have no AP on them, only AGI, would it be possible to provide a plate only BiS list?

EDIT: I never said soon. Im asking for this because most of us will be raiding still when the patch does hit (much like the last patch before WoTLK came out). I realize everyones situation is different, but id rather not get all of the leather items just to have them go useless for the last few weeks of raiding and then leveling to 85.

Don't misslead poeple. It will happen in future patch but not a close one - As in, after poeple have beaten the lich king more then few times.

Page: lookup
Porblem: Typo

[Pauldrons of Lost Hope] are shown as having 1 red socet with +4 haste bonus, when they actualy have one red socet, one blue socket and +6 haste bonus.
I tried to add the socket manuely but wasn't able to for some reason. The lookup will be fine but the fury page won't recoginze i added another socket, keeping the gem slot empty and not considering it for the SEP values when I enter a gem in there (tho it still change the dps number).

EDIT: Also, [Plague-Soaked Leather Leggings] have one blue socket and two red ones, with an +8 haste bonus - on the spreadsheet it's got one yellow and one red, with +6 haste bonus.

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do you have the draeni buff enabled?

I see this as a bit demanding and unneeded. The spreadsheet serves its purpose as an amazing tool to calculate the best possible gear choices in all circumstances. It displays the maximum amount of damage you can do under ideal circumstances using the perfect rotation with RNG taken into account (procs). I think knowing through the spreadsheet that you are geared and gemmed and enchanted the best way you can be should be enough. Needing to tailor it to figure out how much damage you would do from fight to fight is silly, if you want to find that out then use the spreadsheet to gem/enchant/gear, then just go do the fight. That'll give you a very accurate display of your damage on that fight.

I don't think this is designed to show you whats going to happen when you engage every specific boss in terms of how much damage you are going to do, that's borderline having the spreadsheet play a boss for you. You can modify it to calculate the results, but really whats the point? Use the spreadsheet to calculate the best optimal gearing choices, then do the fights yourself. Some people will suck, some people won't have all the buffs, some people will fall short or exceed the damage the spreadsheet says they will do, but in the end the spreadsheet still will have told you the most optimal enchants and gem choices via complex and probably annoying calculations that Landsoul used to simulate a generic never ending fight under optimal conditions. It will have served its purpose... so stop overkilling it.


On a second note I think its funny that Blizzard went through a lot of code work to implement a fifth Ashen strength ring only to have it not be as good as the Agi ring that all the strength users were already wearing.

And on a third note, I don't believe they intend to make the agi/str stat changes on leather/mail/plate gear until the patch just before Cataclysm is released...

my rating + [Hearty Rhino] = 99.996% armor pen

Using ArP food is generaly better DPS wise, since then you might have open yellow slot for +10 strength/+10 crit.

Miryu we can all have different opinions. Landsoul went well beyond with the 35 rotations for Fury. I always look for ways to improve my game. The spreadsheet is a HUGE tool for helping so many of us. Being that it's so helpful i strive to find more uses for it.

I have a problem with Deep wounds damage. The DPS is not matching in game amounts. In game seems to be a bit higher then the spreadsheet. I'm not sure what the problem is. However i do notice that Deep Wound main hand damage is lower than off hand damage for Whirlwind. I find this a bit odd. Shouldn't cell K96 instead be =L65*Q63*Q95

Hi, my first post here (hopefully this is the correct section for it)

I was looking at your (non-heroic) BiS list and decided to put it into the spreadsheet to see what figures I could expect.

I may be mistaken (depending on how you have gemmed and enchanted your items) but on my spreadsheet I found that (DBW/Herkuml War Token) gave me more DPS than (DBW/Whispering Fanged Skull).

Does anybody else get this result or am I doing something wrong?

Those two trinkets are quite close DPS-wise. I guess if you are close to the Crit Rating cap for white swings, the Herkuml War Token might just pull ahead.

Plus you have the advantage of, if you have the badges, "borrowing" the HWT during a raid, as long as you remember your 2 hour timer.

A question about the custom rotation panel in the Arms section: Should I only input my non-dodged styles, because I also have to add how much Overpower I used? I am a little confused about the calculation, because should a dodged swing not also mean an extra OP (considering no t4b procc etc)?