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12/16/09, 7:44 PM
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#2163
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Myrmidon Champion
Worgen Warrior
Alterac Mountains
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I strongly caution using any modified SS right now. A majority of the trinkets and procs will not operate properly and suggest incorrect gearing decisions. Also, you will want to gear around new hit table assumptions which probably won't be included in a modded SS of the old version.
Last edited by landsoul : 12/16/09 at 7:53 PM.
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12/16/09, 7:57 PM
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#2164
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Glass Joe
Dwarf Warrior
The Scryers
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Originally Posted by landsoul
I strongly caution using any modified SS right now. A majority of the trinkets and procs will not operate properly and suggest incorrect gearing decisions. Also, you will want to gear around new hit table assumptions which probably won't be included in a modded SS of the old version.
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Well, you're the expert. What changes to the hit table are you referring to though?
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12/17/09, 4:53 AM
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#2165
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Glass Joe
Draenei Warrior
Drak'Tharon
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Originally Posted by brandorf
Well, you're the expert. What changes to the hit table are you referring to though?
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I THINK he's refering to the 4.8% crit supression against raid bosses discussed in Retesting hit table assumptions but that's not really new... so I could be mistaken.
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12/17/09, 5:05 AM
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#2166
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Glass Joe
Orc Warrior
Todeswache (EU)
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Originally Posted by Fedelis
I THINK he's refering to the 4.8% crit supression against raid bosses discussed in Retesting hit table assumptions but that's not really new... so I could be mistaken.
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I believe this is already included. When i hit 50% crit i was curious and checked if my crit SEP dropped because i thought i was hardcapped for crit on Overpower, but on the spreadsheet i had ~95% critchance with OP, so believe the 4,8% are already measured in.
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12/17/09, 5:09 AM
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#2167
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Glass Joe
Night Elf Warrior
Silvermoon (EU)
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Same gear on both SS (Landsoul and the modified version) giving me two VERY different results. Have you done anything else but to add items, brandorf?
The example i'm talking about :
When I add, on Landsoul's spreadsheet, [Citadel Enforcer's Claymore] to my off-hand slot, it gives me more DPS then [Ramaladni's Blade of Culling]. But on brandorf's version, it gives me the opposite results.
Following the off-hand weapon guidelines, [Citadel Enforcer's Claymore] would be better, but this got me somehow confused.
Last edited by Exposure : 12/17/09 at 5:14 AM.
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12/17/09, 5:32 AM
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#2168
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King Hippo
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Originally Posted by cybertier
I believe this is already included. When i hit 50% crit i was curious and checked if my crit SEP dropped because i thought i was hardcapped for crit on Overpower, but on the spreadsheet i had ~95% critchance with OP, so believe the 4,8% are already measured in.
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My understanding is that it has nothing to do with the RECENT update to the model. Before the model said (as is implemented in the SS) to substract the 4.8%, but in your OP example, if you had 54.8% base crit, than the overpower crit % would be 54.8%+50%-4.8% = 100%. Under new model, the crit % BEFORE substracting 4.8% cannot exceed 100%, so the new crit would be still 95.2% - and it would NEVER go higher.
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12/17/09, 8:41 AM
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#2169
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Glass Joe
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re: DbW
I was doing some research the other day on the Deathbringer's Will trinket and its procs after reading some of the posts on this thread. I don't believe it is going to be BiS for Fury or Arms. It has a ~29% uptime (1min 45 icd with 30 second buff) with a chance of 3 different procs. For warriors this is 600 Arp, 600 Crit rating and 600 Str.
One of these procs is worthless at passive ArP cap. Another (crit) is partially ignored because most fury warriors are near the Crit cap raid buffed (55% if you have 5% hit: 25% glancing and 20% miss) and this buff adds 13.07% crit rating. However, this is only a problem for white crits. The crit proc still affects yellow attacks so it's not really a big deal, but still something to consider.
Even so, with a sizable portion of the procs being partially or completely useless, it seems to me (assuming you can hard cap ArP without it) that double Death's Choice or heroic DC with one of the new trinkets (maybe tiny abom tho it has a lot of hit and nothing is known about the proc rate on motes, herkuml's war totem, or even whispering fanged skull) would be better.
You'll only get a handful of procs in any fight with the long ICD, and bad RNG could make for some major head bashing.
Let me know what you guys think.
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12/17/09, 9:55 AM
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#2170
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Von Kaiser
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Last night I collected some information about Needle-Encrusted Scorpion compared to Death's Choice using Procodile. We did a "full" clear of 25 man ICC including some wipes on Saurfang.
Overall I had 100 Death's Choice Procs coming in at a 28.74% uptime with a CD as little as 45 seconds.
NES had 66 procs coming in at a 13.2% uptime with a CD as small as 51 seconds.
WoL if interested: World of Logs - Real Time Raid Analysis
Can anyone remind me of where their GT/MR uptimes clock in at? I would like to compare this my data. Landsoul stated a page or so back that NES is quite comparable to MR in terms of DPS, however with such a small uptime on the NES trinket, I am beginning to wonder. Was this lack of uptime on NES taken into account? Thanks.
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12/17/09, 10:50 AM
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#2171
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Glass Joe
Draenei Warrior
Drak'Tharon
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Originally Posted by Exposure
Same gear on both SS (Landsoul and the modified version) giving me two VERY different results. Have you done anything else but to add items, brandorf?
The example i'm talking about :
When I add, on Landsoul's spreadsheet, [Citadel Enforcer's Claymore] to my off-hand slot, it gives me more DPS then [Ramaladni's Blade of Culling]. But on brandorf's version, it gives me the opposite results.
Following the off-hand weapon guidelines, [Citadel Enforcer's Claymore] would be better, but this got me somehow confused.
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Did you remember to change your reaction time, latency, and raid buffs to match in both sheets? As far as I know all he did was add items.
Originally Posted by nehcnhoj
Does anybody have the proc chance of the 10man Mirror-on-crack trinket? ( [Whispering Fanged Skull]) If it has a greatness-style proc rate my edited spread sheet sees it slightly above their respective non-heroic/heroic Death's Verdict. (IT DIDN"T DROP FOR ME OR FOR ANYONE IN MY GUILD  !!!!!)
Thanks a bunch!
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35% proc chance.
Last edited by Fedelis : 12/17/09 at 11:39 AM.
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12/17/09, 11:36 AM
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#2172
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Glass Joe
Night Elf Warrior
Silvermoon (EU)
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Yep, everything has been checked, latency, reaction, raid buffs, talents, everything. They are all equal. And since i'm currently going from Arms to Fury, i'm having a "hard time" understanding all the mechanic behind MH and OH choices.
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12/17/09, 11:44 AM
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#2173
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Glass Joe
Dwarf Warrior
The Scryers
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Originally Posted by Exposure
Yep, everything has been checked, latency, reaction, raid buffs, talents, everything. They are all equal. The only thing that differs from each SS is the amount of ArP i have. Everything else is the same. Any thoughts?
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I was being careful to only add the items themselves and not change the calculations. One thing that I have changed for my personal use is that I use a custom rotation as opposed to the standard, you can change it back on the dropdown on H36.
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12/17/09, 11:56 AM
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#2174
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Glass Joe
Night Elf Warrior
Silvermoon (EU)
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Originally Posted by brandorf
I was being careful to only add the items themselves and not change the calculations. One thing that I have changed for my personal use is that I use a custom rotation as opposed to the standard, you can change it back on the dropdown on H36.
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Thank you! But while it solved most of the problem, it still gives me a DPS difference, even though it's much smaller now (130dps before 7dps now). If you remember anything else you might have changed, i would appreciate it, but since it's only a 7dps difference, there's no big reason to. Thanks again.
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12/17/09, 12:00 PM
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#2175
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Glass Joe
Dwarf Warrior
The Scryers
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Originally Posted by suffer
Can anyone remind me of where their GT/MR uptimes clock in at? I would like to compare this my data. Landsoul stated a page or so back that NES is quite comparable to MR in terms of DPS, however with such a small uptime on the NES trinket, I am beginning to wonder. Was this lack of uptime on NES taken into account? Thanks.
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I see about 15% uptime on my NES according to procodile. This syncs up to a ~10% chance on crit. Lowest ICD I've seen is 49 seconds, so it's likely 45 seconds like most trinkets. Wearing both it and a GT at the same time and whacking a target dummy for a while shows the GT at almost 20% uptime, as it procs 15% on hit.
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