The fury page on the modified sheet is using a custom rotation, the arms is the same as it ever was. To change it back to the default on the fury page and it should be what you expect.

i downloaded and used the dps spreadsheet , and tried to use all my current gear, but some of the new gear is missing in the data base, so i had to replace them with my old gear.
i use [needle-encrusted scorpion] and [death choice](heroic) as my trinkets and my weps [dual blade butcher](heroic) and [Ramaladni's Blade of Culling] , i have 726arp from gear+1gem, so with the proc i'll hit 1403 , but since i changed my [dual blade butcher](normal) *my old offhand* to [Ramaladni's Blade of Culling], i lost around 90 crit, so my crit dropped to 33.95% not berserker stance. and my AP is 6329 berserker stance. all my gems are 20str on red and 10str10crit on yellow.
is it bad to stay at that low ammount of crit , so i switch my 20str gems to 10str10crit, or thats gonna lower my dps. i used the spread sheat and it showed around 400dps increase if i do that.
but i kinda prefer more than 1 opinion.

P.S: this is my first post, hopefully i didnt break any rules, if i did just ignore my post

Has anyone run the calculations for BIS arms list, similar to what Landsoul posted on the first page. It would be interesting to know how both specs compare this early on.

With the exception of the new trinkets you can add almost anything into the spreadsheet yourself. New Procs which are mostly trinkets anyways and Set Bonus won't be included so you'll have to make educated guesses there.

Once again, you dipshits have forced me to close this thread until the new spreadsheet is finished. While I'm sure he's flattered by your show of appreciation, this thread doesn't need a hundred consecutive "thx landsoul!" posts.

If you really want to thank him, click the link in the OP and make a donation.

It's back open. Don't be idiots.

I'm still unsure about the T-10 2 piece bonus. Will it only proc on Deep wound ticks? Will it act like Deep wounds currently does. IE will it also proc on an crit that procs a Deep wounds to add to the Deep wounds total tick. Worse case is only every 3 seconds will the set bonus have a chance to proc. At 3% chance it would proc on average every 100 seconds approx. This would only be a 10% uptime. That would average about a 1.6% increase in AP. AT approx 10k dps this works out to be about a 133dps increase only. Not very good at all.

Now assuming the 2nd scenario in that it procs off impales that proc a Deep wound and the Deep wound tick every 3 seconds. Using the spreadsheet i calced how many times a crit goes off and the Deep wound ticks.

Crits per second for BT, WW both hands, HS, BS, Melee both hands plus the deep wound tick

Q54+P73+Q84+W74+AC74+0.33=1.11 hits per second

Fury
DPS at 10k
With hit at 9.86%
Haste at 2.62%
Crit at 46.15% unbuffed

That changes the proc to go off approx every 30 seconds. Basically a 33% uptime vs a 10% uptime. Also this worked out to be a 440dps increase vs a 133dps increase.

I would assume and hope the latter is how it works as the former is terrible. I then wanted to see which stats helped the most to proc the set bonus. It was obvious crit would be king. But i was curious how much haste would help as well. I used crit as the base and that being 1.0. Haste worked out to be 0.47. Hm thought haste would do a bit better than that.

I also tried this with Arms and using the latter example. 10k dps hit and exp capped and same amount of ArP. Arms got a 368dps increase. Mainly because uptime is harder to achieve with no offhand helping to increase the proc rate.

Just trying to figure out exactly how the proc works and what helps it proc at a higher %. Any raw and confirmed data of the T-10 2 piece bonus yet?

I think you, me and 95% of the world knows probability doesn't work the basic way i showed.

You're right Deep wounds ticks every second. I used cell R102 which says 0.33 hits per second for Deep Wounds. So wasn't thinking and just used what i assumed was correct on the SS. Ty for the correction. I did check my latest combat log to verify after you posted. Results were 1.010-1.037 between actual ticks. I also noticed up to 5 refreshes of Deep Wounds between the normal ticks. Which increased actual ticks that apply damage to almost 5 seconds. Your description is fairly accurate.

[21:53:11.920] Deadtank Deep Wounds Deathbringer Saurfang 2487
[21:53:12.501] Deathbringer Saurfang's Deep Wounds is refreshed by Deadtank
[21:53:13.296] Deathbringer Saurfang's Deep Wounds is refreshed by Deadtank
[21:53:14.139] Deathbringer Saurfang's Deep Wounds is refreshed by Deadtank
[21:53:14.880] Deathbringer Saurfang's Deep Wounds is refreshed by Deadtank
[21:53:15.714] Deathbringer Saurfang's Deep Wounds is refreshed by Deadtank
[21:53:16.732] Deadtank Deep Wounds Deathbringer Saurfang 3433

Well this does make Landsoul's job more difficult. Hmm.

edit 1. Apologies RPZip, edited while you were posting below. I recall Landsould saying he'd have to use how he calced Deep Wounds. Then add probability math. Now i think i understand why. Betting the answer is already in the SS somewhere as it must be to calc Deep Wound tick damage. Damned if i can find it though.

edit 2. I think i've just created more questions. If it procs off ticks and refreshes it's over powered. If it only procs off actual ticks of damage, it means crit makes it proc less often. As refreshes extend the the time between damage ticks.

And yet you used that method. And yeah, people recognize the fallacy when I use that coin example, but it is absolutely stunning how many people don't realize what they're inadvertently doing in more complicated situations.

The set bonus says "Whenever Deep Wounds deals damage", not "Whenever Deep Wounds deals damage or is applied". There's no logical reason to suspect that it would proc on an application, as similar effects don't. It's possible that it does, but it's... unlikely, to say the least.

If you want further information on the subject we should probably move this discussion to a separate thread, though.

The new deep wounds "ticks per second" mechanic I made for the new version works fairly well and scales backwards with crit properly and the way it should. I used my method of flurry uptime but kind of in reverse. Instead of using the 3-4 swing duration for flurry, I use the 1 second duration for deep wounds.

Edit: Oh hey the new version is up. Please read the notes on the front post.

When I fetch from the armory all my items are getting the "heroic" tag even if they arn't, and even if they don't have heroic version, so I need to insert the gear manuely (gems are fine).

EDIT: Also, 2p T9 only consider the extra crit chance for berserker stance, without considring the ArP bonus to battle stance.