Warrior DPS Calculation Spreadsheet - Page 191

Greysir · 07/09/10, 3:09 PM

On one hand it can't hurt (other than Landsoul's sanity and general spreadsheet tidiness) to keep them in the spreadsheet.. but there is one aspect of plate vs leather that folks are forgetting about. Correct me if I'm misremembering, but it isn't just the mastery bonus difference but leather and mail will start to follow the plate model of not having raw any AP, just STR/AGI and other stats. So all of a sudden leather pieces will have gobs of crit, but zero AP for warriors. I doubt the AGI will give enough crit to offset the lack of AP, but I guess that is speculation. Assuming that is how it goes live, I see it being extremely unlikely that warriors will ever wear leather or mail unless they're going from greens to epic, or some other drastic ilvl jump.

Note that there still will be some AP items they said, things like rings/cloaks, to spread the itemization. I'm curious if they'll ending up being just be AP/crit/haste/mastery, and zero STR/AGI? It would make sense with how they're trying to itemize things I think, but we'll see..

landsoul · 07/11/10, 3:56 AM

My concern is that since the new rage mechanic has 0 emphasis on attack power, is now more reliant on crit (agi) haste hit, and that rage dumping will convert directly into damage instead of indirectly, that by some crazy mechanical reason crit (and subsequently agi) will be overvalued against strength.

I'm afraid that the best way to go is to get rage capped before adding additional attack power much like how we go with armor pen now. If crit had a SEP of 1.4 due to how rage to damage scales, then agility would become greater than strength due to the conversion of agi to crit rate.

They would have to reduce the on crit rage bonus from double to one and a half or give a solid bonus to wearing plate.

Powerslave · 07/11/10, 12:31 PM

Originally Posted by landsoul

My concern is that since the new rage mechanic has 0 emphasis on attack power, is now more reliant on crit (agi) haste hit, and that rage dumping will convert directly into damage instead of indirectly, that by some crazy mechanical reason crit (and subsequently agi) will be overvalued against strength.

I'm afraid that the best way to go is to get rage capped before adding additional attack power much like how we go with armor pen now. If crit had a SEP of 1.4 due to how rage to damage scales, then agility would become greater than strength due to the conversion of agi to crit rate.

They would have to reduce the on crit rage bonus from double to one and a half or give a solid bonus to wearing plate.

You're forgetting that we'll have less mastery benefits for wearing leather.

An arms warrior,for example, will lose rage generation for wearing leather due to having less of a chance to proc that extra swing.

A fury warrior will "only" lose bonus damage from deathwish and fury in the blood I guess (or some rage too ,if mastery affects our bonus rage generation from damage taken when berserker rage is active).

These aside,I kind of doubt that "extra" rage (meaning the rage that will get used for "ragedump" heroic strikes and that higher rage cost passive skill) will be that great.The value of extra rage will probably start to diminish quickly after some point.

Grayson Carlyle · 07/11/10, 7:15 PM

Page: FURY & ARMS
Error Type: CALCULATION
Issue: Deathbringer's Will proc array isn't being calculated properly, inflating its value. Specifically, while the Str value and Crit combinations are being divided by 3 for the 3 different procs, the Haste one is not, upping the average Haste from procs a lot higher than it should.

keseph · 07/12/10, 4:19 AM

The "get more mastery from wearing your correct tier of armor" hasn't really come out as anything more than a scare tactic yet. The Fury mastery bonus is still pretty vague and of dubious value, and it would be premature to assume that Arms' Bonus Swing effect will generate rage. Moreover, Agi doesn't have to beat Strength to make a non-plate item BIS -- there just needs to be a sufficiently good Agi item in a slot with sufficiently bad Plate items. Gloves and Wrists come to mind in ICC; Legs would too, if set bonuses were less desirable.

Powerslave · 07/12/10, 7:43 AM

You're forgetting that 5 stat agility items are generally better than 4 stat plate ones now.It doesn't matter what itemization the plate items have,agility items would end up being better anyways (unless you get a enough agility items to devalue crit significantly that is).

Ragnernon · 07/12/10, 6:51 PM

There wont be any Items with 5 Stats on it. Cata wil get rid of Spellpower and Attackpower. So Agi Items will get us just Crit Mastery and Haste. But I think it will be just Crit and Mastery or Haste, just like now. So I doubt there will be any equivalent Leather or Mail items to their Plate Brothers.

landsoul · 07/13/10, 6:54 PM

From PM which may answer a future question about the current version:

Originally Posted by reinor

Hello I just imported your PvE gear in the latest version (2.603a) of the spreadsheet and noticed that your Haste SEP is slightly higher than Crit (0.7834 vs 0.7236), yet you continue to gem crit, why? Replacing all your STR/Crit gems with STR/Haste would be an around 10 DPS increase.

Every setting is on default and the "HS + 0 Miss bug" is enabled.

This is an error in the sheet. It's not "freeing" the crit cap for some reason. This is what happens when things are rushed.

This is now fixed, so re-download.

landsoul · 07/17/10, 4:53 AM

Originally Posted by Ghostcrawler

...each point of strength or agility gives two attack power, excepting the first 10 points."

This is new to me. Does anyone know if this is how it works live? I can figure it out myself but I would like additional eyes for confirmation.

Bloodhawker · 07/18/10, 7:30 PM

On my level 30 paladin (Atunia) I get the following values when switching out gear and buffing/cancelling blessing of kings:

naked: 55 str, 180 ap
naked with kings: 60 str, 90 ap
half-naked: 110 str, 290 ap
half-naked with kings: 121 str, 312 ap

If these "first x points" are ten even for this class/level combo, my values seem to indicate that the single point strength BoK gets out of them grants attack power as usual.

Rafzulk · 07/23/10, 8:32 AM

Hello,

I am using your spreadsheet for quite a time, and now I discovered a value that makes me curious and that answer I didn't found in here: My question is about the crit cap in your spreadsheet. With my warrior Draal I am below the critcap, that I got from your compandium: ~45% unbuffed, ~58% buffed. The value for "crit cao" that is shown is "-454".
So here are my questions:
1. Why am I overcapped (i.e. the minus in front of the value 454)? I mean... if I was just a litte but overcapped, that would be no problem. But 454 over cap divided by 45.906 (1% per 45.906 points) ist about 10%, that I am over cap. How do you calculate the value in the sheet?
2. Shorter question: :> why is the color of the shown value yellow?

Thank you in advance,
Draal

rocco1015 · 07/23/10, 10:00 AM

Originally Posted by Rafzulk

Hello,

I am using your spreadsheet for quite a time, and now I discovered a value that makes me curious and that answer I didn't found in here: My question is about the crit cap in your spreadsheet. With my warrior Draal I am below the critcap, that I got from your compandium: ~45% unbuffed, ~58% buffed. The value for "crit cao" that is shown is "-454".
So here are my questions:
1. Why am I overcapped (i.e. the minus in front of the value 454)? I mean... if I was just a litte but overcapped, that would be no problem. But 454 over cap divided by 45.906 (1% per 45.906 points) ist about 10%, that I am over cap. How do you calculate the value in the sheet?
2. Shorter question: :> why is the color of the shown value yellow?

Thank you in advance,
Draal

The answer lies in Deathbringer's Will. The Aim of the Iron Dwarves proc grants you 600 critical strike rating, and that amount is factored into the spreadsheet's calculation of crit cap.

Rafzulk · 07/24/10, 3:28 AM

Thank you for your answer. So I am overcapped with the crit-proc and without it I am below the cap.
I just tested some variations of equipment: the value is displayed yellow if I am overcapped with the help of Deathbringers Will. If I am crit-overcapped without procs, the value ist displayed white. Mystery solved, thank you!

Orikfricai · 07/25/10, 12:09 AM

So, how will the new "Furious Plate Specialization - Increases your Strength by 5% while wearing only Plate armor" factor into keeping leather/mail items on the spreadsheet?

Moozhe · 07/25/10, 12:47 AM

I think that the change of agility items to being 4-stat items, coupled with this change and the fact that Armored to the Teeth is still around, we will never use leather/mail in raids. Even right now I am only using 1 piece of leather, and the most I've used is around 3. You'd have to weigh the bonus of 1-2 possible small upgrades against 5% flat Strength.

Agility necks/rings/cloaks/weapons should still be in the spreadsheet, even though they will likely not be BiS. But I think we can abandon leather/mail.