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Old 08/28/10, 12:06 AM   #2881
cyberryu
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Anxin
Night Elf Warrior
 
Non-US/EU Server
Before I post my question, I would like to thank you, Landsoul, for this wonderful DPS calculator. It helps me a lot.

I have been using this calculator for some time now. When I scanned through the spreadsheet, I realized I couldn't find any option of drinking indestructible potion or potion of speed.

If there is such option, would anyone please kindly point me in the right direction?

Thank you all.

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Old 08/28/10, 4:16 PM   #2882
landsoul
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Worgen Warrior
 
Alterac Mountains
There is no option, because that consideration has to do with a specific fight and a specific fight length. More particularly, it has more to do with timing cooldowns. These considerations go beyond the scope of the capabilities of this project at this time. For example, a speed potion you take while stacking cooldowns may be twice as good as taking it without stacking cooldowns. I can't do this in the spreadsheet yet.

I am working on making the spreadsheet more powerful for the possibilities of making custom considerations like this, that go beyond just calculating things on average.

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Old 08/30/10, 6:45 PM   #2883
kane91z
Glass Joe
 
Troll Hunter
 
Mal'Ganis
for some reason the last few versions of the spreadsheet say my arms warrior will only do 3600ish dmg in it's pve spec after import, while it was over 10k with 2.602 - was wondering if anyone else was having this problem?

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Old 08/30/10, 9:17 PM   #2884
keseph
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Orc Warrior
 
Arthas
I don't usually pay attention to the Arms sheet, so I'm not sure how long it's been that way, but the stock defaults for the Target params are set to a PVP target with high-ish (1100) resillience, more armor than a boss (11k), and extremely few raid buffs (just MotW, BoK, Devo Aura and self-buffs). Fixing all of that, you should see about 10.5k

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Old 09/08/10, 8:51 PM   #2885
loknar
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Orc Warrior
 
Turalyon
Landsoul. I have often questioned how my rotation compares to the "ideal" rotation that you have setup in your spreadsheet. I know that I am not alone in this.

so...

I have added a tab to your amazing spreadsheet, which gives me a very basic overlook of how well my human abilities compare to perfection.

It includes:
Heroic Strike uptime
Bloodthirst Clipping info
Slam! usage percentage.

Here is a link to a SS of it. Hopefully you like the idea behind it and perhaps add it to your next version so others out there can see just how well they are doing.


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Old 09/09/10, 6:04 AM   #2886
chymera
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Human Warrior
 
Mannoroth (EU)
Basicly there is not only one ideal rotation but 3-4 ways how you can execute your "optimal" rotation depending on the circumstances you're in (depends on when in your rotation you get your bloodsourge-procc). So a simple figure of how close you are to never delay your BT doesn't relay tell you if it was well performed fight or not.
E.g. I compared some of my logs for Saurfang and had more DPS & DMG done while using less BTs

For more detailed information on the rotation- and periods-issue I can only recomend the apropriate part in Landsoul's Fury compendium

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Old 09/09/10, 8:08 AM   #2887
tatsujin
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Night Elf Warrior
 
Kirin Tor
I have an error on the spreadsheet. I'm a first time user and I'm not a math-person to edit or correct errors around. On the Intro page, I followed the very first two steps which is to enable macros and to set the Maximum Iterations to at least 100 and Maximum Change to 0.00001. I'm using Excel 07 and the spreadsheet is also for 07.

The error I get on the top left corner in Fury is DPS Metric: #DIV/0!. So I guess it's calculating things wrong? I don't understand. Even downloading a new spreadsheet and only enabling the macros won't change it.

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Old 09/09/10, 9:54 AM   #2888
jbhdhf
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Human Warrior
 
Korgath
Originally Posted by loknar View Post
Landsoul. I have often questioned how my rotation compares to the "ideal" rotation that you have setup in your spreadsheet. I know that I am not alone in this.

so...

I have added a tab to your amazing spreadsheet, which gives me a very basic overlook of how well my human abilities compare to perfection.

It includes:
Heroic Strike uptime
Bloodthirst Clipping info
Slam! usage percentage.

Here is a link to a SS of it. Hopefully you like the idea behind it and perhaps add it to your next version so others out there can see just how well they are doing.

This is funny because I was thinking a few days ago to suggest the same thing. I've been analyzing my performances on WOL this very way for months.

However, after quickly glancing over your pic, I would suggest a couple changes.

1) Represent slam efficiency as a percentage of available bloodsurge procs. i.e. 23/30= 77%

2) always round down the maximum possible number of bloodthirsts. In your first example the true maximum is 35 not 36, as BT will not be off CD to allow the 36th.

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Old 09/09/10, 10:28 PM   #2889
Grayson Carlyle
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Turalyon
Originally Posted by jbhdhf View Post
1) Represent slam efficiency as a percentage of available bloodsurge procs. i.e. 23/30= 77%

2) always round down the maximum possible number of bloodthirsts. In your first example the true maximum is 35 not 36, as BT will not be off CD to allow the 36th.
1: is a bit of a weird thing, because T10 set bonus Bloodsurge procs don't count twice in the buffs, so the "efficiency" isn't quite a true efficiency. A quickly overwritten Bloodsurge proc will obviously be unused, so even a good calculation for efficiency wouldn't be 100% reliable in telling you much about your playstyle, but it would be another number to note. I'd suggest having numbers available. The more important number to know is GCD usage, but then you have to look at Sunder, Demo, Shattering Throw, etc... However, Demo counts once for each target it hits, and other Sunders count towards the original Sunder-er in the logs, making it look like they cast more than they did. As much useful info as is reasonable without overloading the brain is always better, but inevitably we have to look at the logs to get a truer picture of our performance.

2: It's actually 36 because you can cast BT at 0 seconds and again at 4s in a 4 second fight. Maximum BTs is always floor(time/4)+1. Though again, usefulness is suspect either way. If you go into a fight with 100 rage, you can BT at 0s and have HS queued up. If you go in with between 20 and 30 from Bloodrage, then you can BT and possibly miss both your first melee attacks, leaving with you more than 3 seconds of doing nothing at all, or you can queue HS, get the OH rage which might only be 15-17 rage from a normal or glancing blow, leaving you unable to BT anyway. Those of us who cast Demo on their first GCD get the worst of both worlds.

@Loknar: The HS uptime as calculated is lower than reality because it's not doing any calculations for weapon speed. With Shadowmourne/Glorenzelg at 3.7 and 3.6, there should be .973 HSs to Melee for 100% uptime, so the numbers for those 3 bosses would actually be 97%, 93.4% and 96.9% HS uptime.

Last edited by Grayson Carlyle : 09/09/10 at 10:34 PM.

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Old 09/10/10, 12:38 PM   #2890
jbhdhf
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Human Warrior
 
Korgath
Originally Posted by Grayson Carlyle View Post
1: is a bit of a weird thing, because T10 set bonus Bloodsurge procs don't count twice in the buffs, so the "efficiency" isn't quite a true efficiency. A quickly overwritten Bloodsurge proc will obviously be unused, so even a good calculation for efficiency wouldn't be 100% reliable in telling you much about your playstyle, but it would be another number to note. I'd suggest having numbers available. The more important number to know is GCD usage, but then you have to look at Sunder, Demo, Shattering Throw, etc... However, Demo counts once for each target it hits, and other Sunders count towards the original Sunder-er in the logs, making it look like they cast more than they did. As much useful info as is reasonable without overloading the brain is always better, but inevitably we have to look at the logs to get a truer picture of our performance.
I had wondered about whether WOL counted t10 or not. I'm not surprised that it doesn't, but out of curiosity how do you know this for certain?

The reason I suspected it did is because I've had several saurfang parses where I had great t10 luck, and on checking my numbers, 30+ procs in a 2: 20 sec fight seemed to indicate to me it was counting t10's as I usually get low 20sish. However, it's possible I was just lucky.

Originally Posted by Grayson Carlyle View Post

2: It's actually 36 because you can cast BT at 0 seconds and again at 4s in a 4 second fight. Maximum BTs is always floor(time/4)+1. Though again, usefulness is suspect either way. If you go into a fight with 100 rage, you can BT at 0s and have HS queued up. If you go in with between 20 and 30 from Bloodrage, then you can BT and possibly miss both your first melee attacks, leaving with you more than 3 seconds of doing nothing at all, or you can queue HS, get the OH rage which might only be 15-17 rage from a normal or glancing blow, leaving you unable to BT anyway. Those of us who cast Demo on their first GCD get the worst of both worlds.
You are correct, max Bts is floor(t/4) +1. My mistake.

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Old 09/11/10, 5:58 PM   #2891
landsoul
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Alterac Mountains
Originally Posted by loknar View Post
Landsoul. I have often questioned how my rotation compares to the "ideal" rotation that you have setup in your spreadsheet. I know that I am not alone in this.
Loknar, It's extremely cool that you can come up with things like this, and I encourage people to branch out and use the spreadsheet as a reference to create new calculations!

However, making additional applications as you have is extremely tricky because it is very easy to make a mistake in the form of misinterpreting information, or leaving information out vital to the success of interpreting the application.

I suggest to take the advice of previous posters and make sure you take into account every little thing about how WoL interprets the little things (like counting 4t10) because it will come to bite you!

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Old 09/14/10, 11:36 AM   #2892
Rikova
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Human Warrior
 
Gul'dan (EU)
Heroic Thorw Yes or No?

Sorry that i ask it, i know it has been discussed but i cant find the post were it is calculated. Is it right that it is a dps lost if i use heroic throw when i dont have slam BD and WW ready? We have a discussion in the guild and i think that it was calculated that its a dps lost if i use Heroic throw. Has somebody maybe the post in which it was calculated?

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Old 09/14/10, 12:52 PM   #2893
PikaPika1006
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Pandaren Rogue
 
Illidan
Originally Posted by Rikova View Post
Sorry that i ask it, i know it has been discussed but i cant find the post were it is calculated. Is it right that it is a dps lost if i use heroic throw when i dont have slam BD and WW ready? We have a discussion in the guild and i think that it was calculated that its a dps lost if i use Heroic throw. Has somebody maybe the post in which it was calculated?
Heroic throw resets the swing timer, if you're in melee range there's no reason to use it as fury.

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Old 09/14/10, 1:30 PM   #2894
jbhdhf
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Human Warrior
 
Korgath
Originally Posted by PikaPika1006 View Post
Heroic throw resets the swing timer, if you're in melee range there's no reason to use it as fury.
In most fights in ICC you will find yourself able to use it at ranged, almost on CD, or at least several times a fight. HM LK I use it all the time. Ranged bad on orbs in transition? Tab pop it and be a hero. lol

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Old 10/04/10, 8:13 AM   #2895
tgouned
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Human Warrior
 
Perenolde (EU)
Is there already a "best in slot" set for patch 4.0? I suppose I'd choose the 277 T10 Gloves over Shoulders because of hit instead of haste of which we'll have more than we'll ever need.. for the shoulder slot I guess I'll be wearing the 277 Raging Behemoth. As for Cataclysm, I'll switch Deathbringer for the Tiny Abomination and choose 2 1H instead of Shadowmourne and Cryptmaker..

Is it just me or does Blizzard want us to be rogues wearing plate armor, stacking hit like no tomorrow and dealing most of our damage by melee hits?

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