Warrior DPS Calculation Spreadsheet - Page 194

Gulpi · 10/05/10, 3:13 AM

Originally Posted by tgouned

I'll switch Deathbringer for the Tiny Abomination and choose 2 1H instead of Shadowmourne and Cryptmaker..

Is it just me or does Blizzard want us to be rogues wearing plate armor, stacking hit like no tomorrow and dealing most of our damage by melee hits?

Are there 1h Weaps with STR right now? Afaik all 1h Weaps have agi and AP, and AP is gone with 4.x

samot · 10/05/10, 7:16 AM

well, you could use f.e. [Black Bruise]. It has no agi but a nice procc. With a little bit luck they don't remove the ap from this because of the lack of agi (there will be some agi-less blacksmith weapons in cata).

iddqd84 · 10/05/10, 12:26 PM

Originally Posted by tgouned

Is there already a "best in slot" set for patch 4.0? I suppose I'd choose the 277 T10 Gloves over Shoulders because of hit instead of haste of which we'll have more than we'll ever need.. for the shoulder slot I guess I'll be wearing the 277 Raging Behemoth. As for Cataclysm, I'll switch Deathbringer for the Tiny Abomination and choose 2 1H instead of Shadowmourne and Cryptmaker..

Is it just me or does Blizzard want us to be rogues wearing plate armor, stacking hit like no tomorrow and dealing most of our damage by melee hits?

One of our warriors also wants to use Tiny Abo come 4.0, but i thought it would be a joke, given the +hit is nice but the proc has always been awful for classes that dont have a proc-mechanism bound to their autoattacks (rets, enhancers, rogues). Does the extra hit generate rage which we will often lack with 4.0 or will the alternatives like DBW or WFS (H) be much less attractive? Besides, which combination of trinkets will you use? Should be a comeback for HWT, right?

Harpo · 10/06/10, 6:20 PM

Originally Posted by iddqd84

One of our warriors also wants to use Tiny Abo come 4.0, but i thought it would be a joke, given the +hit is nice but the proc has always been awful for classes that dont have a proc-mechanism bound to their autoattacks (rets, enhancers, rogues). Does the extra hit generate rage which we will often lack with 4.0 or will the alternatives like DBW or WFS (H) be much less attractive? Besides, which combination of trinkets will you use? Should be a comeback for HWT, right?

I would love to have a Tiny Abom for fury, as it seems like the value of crit has really depreciated for fury. It would not suprise me if the haste badge trinket + TAJ were better than the RS trinket and DBW. I dont think it would be worth using as arms, obviously, but haste will become a more common stat for fury, along with hit. It seems that the proc rate sub-20% will also be pretty strong considering executioner. I suppose a 10% haste loss on windfury will hurt it a bit though.

EDIT -
I also haven't read too far back, so this may have been posted, but I looked up the warrior tier 10 four piece bonus. It is now a flat +5% damage, instead of the chance of proccing two slams/executes.
Sanctified Ymirjar Lord's Battlegear - Item Set - World of Warcraft

Still though, the two piece will offer fury no bonus at all, as it is impossible to reach deep wounds at 80. I am planning on playing arms, but I seriously hope that this set bonus is changed.

Elhandil · 10/07/10, 3:47 AM

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Musclebound · 10/07/10, 3:37 PM

Originally Posted by iddqd84

One of our warriors also wants to use Tiny Abo come 4.0, but i thought it would be a joke, given the +hit is nice but the proc has always been awful for classes that dont have a proc-mechanism bound to their autoattacks (rets, enhancers, rogues). Does the extra hit generate rage which we will often lack with 4.0 or will the alternatives like DBW or WFS (H) be much less attractive? Besides, which combination of trinkets will you use? Should be a comeback for HWT, right?

I believe the appeal for rogues, ret paladins and enhancement shamans is the speed with which they can stack the trinket up and get procs going. If it becomes good for any spec of Warrior, my guess would be Single-minded Fury. The speed of one-handed weapons in ICC (excluding daggers) in addition to flurry is such that the stacks would come quickly, in theory at least.

I'm curious to know about the Abom proc producing rage as well, but how does it behave with the SMF bonus to one-handed weapons?

samot · 10/11/10, 7:01 AM

following to the MMO-Champion-Database Black Bruise ([Black Bruise]) or Heartpierce ([Heartpierce]) remains their AP while other AGI-based weapons as the Abomination Knuckles ([Abomination Knuckles]) will have no longer AP on it.

Devlin1991 · 10/11/10, 6:17 PM

If anyone has TAiaJ 264/277, would you be able to test if the extra melee swing generates rage, I have looked through the wowhead and thottbot comments but was not able to find any answer to this.

I would assume this would be a very nice trinket post 4.0 if it generated rage from the proc.

ComMcNeil · 10/12/10, 3:14 AM

Originally Posted by Harpo

Still though, the two piece will offer fury no bonus at all, as it is impossible to reach deep wounds at 80. I am planning on playing arms, but I seriously hope that this set bonus is changed.

I am by far no expert regarding Arms specc, but as I see it, Sudden Death does not have any purpose as long as you do not have Colossal Smash, which you get on lvl 81. I also tried Arms a little on Beta, but I could not get a grasp on the rotation (and my dmg was horrible) so I dropped it again.
I suggest staying as Fury is the way to go fpr 4.0.1 if you think about the removal of the Titan's Grip penalty, as well as the flat dmg increase in Dual Wield Specialization, even if we will be most certainly behind somewhat.

Originally Posted by samot

following to the MMO-Champion-Database Black Bruise ([Black Bruise]) or Heartpierce ([Heartpierce]) remains their AP while other AGI-based weapons as the Abomination Knuckles ([Abomination Knuckles]) will have no longer AP on it.

Does this mean, SMF would be viable (in 4.0.1at 80) if we could get a grasp on Black Bruise and somewhat good offhand?

edit: having a look in the comments of this http://cata.wowhead.com/item=50708 , it seems it does have a 100% uptime. Would this be a viable offhand weapon as a SMF Fury warrior? Speed is not that good unfortunately.

samot · 10/12/10, 7:10 AM

Originally Posted by ComMcNeil

if you think about the removal of the Titan's Grip penalty

I believe this is a common misunderstanding. Of course, they removed the penalty but on the other hand you'll not able to get the 10 % bonus from Two-Hand-Weapon-Specialisation, because this is now an Arms primary skill.

At Arms you'll get +5% damage, at Berserker stance you'll get +10% damage (and +2% Crit from Rampage) -> if you not count the mastery-bonus (the 2% crit were before the bonus for Berserker stance) and all other changes, Berserker with TG should do only 5 % more damage as before

ComMcNeil · 10/12/10, 7:23 AM

Do not forget the bonus dmg incorporated into Dual-Wield-Specialization, which is also 10%:
Dual Wield Specialization - Spells - Sigrie
Dual Wield Specialization
Allows you to equip one-hand and off-hand weapons in your off-hand. Increases your damage by 10% while dual-wielding and the damage of your off-hand attacks by an additional 25%.

Zodiacs · 10/13/10, 4:37 PM

I'm not positive if this is the right place to post, but people are talking about reaching hard hit cap, it should be 787 correct? Unless my math is wrong.

1% of hit is 32.79 and we gain 3% from Precision (as fury).

32.79 ( 27 - 3) = 786.95 ~ 787, but I capped around 738. Am I missing something?

*I did a little math, and it seems that 1% hit = 30.72, according to in-game anyway. Not sure what's up with that though, can anyone comment on this?

MikHaven · 10/13/10, 6:32 PM

Originally Posted by Zodiacs

*I did a little math, and it seems that 1% hit = 30.72, according to in-game anyway. Not sure what's up with that though, can anyone comment on this?

All the ratings changed for the combat ratings. Hit is now 30.7548, so close to what you were getting. Please refer to the following post for the updated rating changes. Thanks to all those who put the work into this.
Combat Ratings at level 85 (Cataclysm)

ON a side note. I was testing out droping my 4 set, which it turn could drop all my tier gear but not enough gear to replace it. Horever I find the damage loss of the 5% tier bonus far outweighs the Hit gain from say the Landsoul helm to the 264 tier set helm. 264-264. Where I can make up the hit to hard cap in other areas.

Wonder how the 4 set bonus was changed but the 2 set was not as it is worthless for fury right now. I wish they would swap the two, and allow fury to break the 4 set deep wounds ability in order to get better itemization. Miss having the computer show me what is stat balance.

cutterx2202 · 10/15/10, 3:35 AM

I hit a dummy for a while pre-4.0 with tiny abom and recount showed no rage gained through the proc. Could have missed it because it treats the proc like a melee swing for recount purposes or it doesn't give any.

Pugageddon · 10/15/10, 6:36 AM

Something else to consider for TAiaJ are that the extra swing will generate extra chances to proc enrage and (if it can crit) flurry. Granted, that's less exciting than what it offers rets and rogues, but if it also does turn out to generate rage it could push it over the top for SMF.