Warrior DPS Calculation Spreadsheet - Page 49

Paradosi · 05/04/09, 1:06 AM

Originally Posted by Vampyrr

Wouldnt Bladebreaker Gauntlets be way better than the t8.5 gloves? To me those gloves look really really blah. (for arms BiS list)

They are on their own, but then you lose the 4 piece set bonus.

I was thinking of toying around with a very high armor pen set using the Earthshaper and ignoring the 4 piece set bonus and ignoring expertise on gear to see how it would do at extremely high levels. But the 4 piece set bonus & poleaxe spec are too good to pass up. If they don't change armor pen in the next 1-2 months, I'll toy around with multiple sets and post some results when I have most of the gear I need.

Shha · 05/04/09, 4:54 AM

I agree on poleaxe spec, it seems to even out with mace at 1700 passive armor pen + grim toll or a bit lower with dual trinkets,but as for MS i really cant.

Considering

1) 2 piece bonus is basically useless imo. 150 haste on some slam crits, not many heroic use, and overall meh-ness of haste
2) 4 piece bonus increases the crit on skill that for me at least consist of ~15% damage by 10%. Even considering arms "crits at around triple damage" (that means counting deep wounds that ignore armor etc) that means if you were at 55% crit raid buffed you gain 2.3/2.1 =~10% damage on MS or 1.5% total damage.

You trade awfully lot for an average bonus. I find it better to not use ANY tier items (or helmet, which seems good on its own). It will be especially true once you get to gear up in hard modes, and tier items will fall behind even more.

Speeder · 05/04/09, 5:12 AM

Originally Posted by Shha

I agree on poleaxe spec, it seems to even out with mace at 1700 passive armor pen + grim toll or a bit lower with dual trinkets,but as for MS i really cant.

Considering

1) 2 piece bonus is basically useless imo. 150 haste on some slam crits, not many heroic use, and overall meh-ness of haste
2) 4 piece bonus increases the crit on skill that for me at least consist of ~15% damage by 10%. Even considering arms "crits at around triple damage" (that means counting deep wounds that ignore armor etc) that means if you were at 55% crit raid buffed you gain 2.3/2.1 =~10% damage on MS or 1.5% total damage.

You trade awfully lot for an average bonus. I find it better to not use ANY tier items (or helmet, which seems good on its own). It will be especially true once you get to gear up in hard modes, and tier items will fall behind even more.

Bonus would be worthwile if it affected MS(BT) and Slam. Anyway i want rogue 4pc bonus

, damage dealt by rend can now be critical strikes.

Shha · 05/04/09, 5:23 AM

It should make deep wound ticks crit (and proc more deep wounds !)

Anyway after looking deeper into it, there might be more benefits from 4xt8 then i thought - mostly because there is no hard mode gauntlets/chest/shoulders as of now. I still believe we will see some (as not all loot has been found yet :P)

landsoul · 05/04/09, 5:52 AM

Yeah I agree if there were more good 239 (or 226 even) loot that was well itemized you could ditch the 4 piece. The set chest and helm are kind of hard to beat though because they are very well itemized. shoulders are okay, but legs and gloves are definitely iffy unless you need the hit/exp really bad.

Flixor · 05/04/09, 8:00 AM

First of all, thx for the spreadsheet. It would be in interest for the Eu Users to impliment a EU armory copy in the next version of your spreadsheet.
Thanking you in anticipation

NagL · 05/04/09, 8:03 AM

Just change the wowarmory.com > eu.wowarmory.com

Flixor · 05/04/09, 8:34 AM

ok. thx. the answer was my antiquated excell version. my fault, thx although.

Shha · 05/04/09, 9:58 AM

Originally Posted by landsoul

Yeah I agree if there were more good 239 (or 226 even) loot that was well itemized you could ditch the 4 piece. The set chest and helm are kind of hard to beat though because they are very well itemized. shoulders are okay, but legs and gloves are definitely iffy unless you need the hit/exp really bad.

Well loot lists from hard mode dont seem to be complete yet (and not talking just about algalon). I guess well have to see.

On a side note could you explain how your sheet works with expertise? I cant shake the feeling it undervalues it. While I understand the idea of overpower slightly lessening the cost of a dodged attack, my late parses show uptime on TfB as high as 66% - meaning I probably will lose out on most dodged attacks - at same time arms doesnt have any real rage dump like heroics work for fury - so a dodged attack has a bit higher cost.

DarkS · 05/04/09, 10:38 AM

Bug Report:

[Bladebearer's Signet] have +65 STR on the sheet.

landsoul · 05/04/09, 6:14 PM

I didn't allow extra overpowers from dodge chance, the sheet always assumes you have rage for your rotation, and you only are swinging 1 weapon. Arms doesn't really work like fury so it may be worth to try not having any expertise at all.

Ticon · 05/04/09, 9:59 PM

Landsoul, can you disable the sockets of the items that don't have gem bonuses?
It's counting the socket even when it doesn't exist, so if I change gear I have to change all the sockets manually to none, and so on.

• Fogbug · 05/05/09, 5:10 AM

Originally Posted by Ticon

Landsoul, can you disable the sockets of the items that don't have gem bonuses?
It's counting the socket even when it doesn't exist, so if I change gear I have to change all the sockets manually to none, and so on.

Probably more trouble than it's worth - keep in mind, blacksmiths can add sockets to bracers and gloves. Personally I'd rather change the fields manually than try to deal with something coded into the sheet

Perrymason · 05/05/09, 5:32 AM

Bug Report:
[Tunic of the Limber Stalker]
Does not have 63 ArP on it as per sheet

and

Frigid Winter's Embrace
should be
[Winter's Frigid Embrace]

Thanks for the sheet, its muchly appreciated

(sorry if these have been posted previously)

Ticon · 05/05/09, 5:47 AM

Originally Posted by Fogbug

Probably more trouble than it's worth - keep in mind, blacksmiths can add sockets to bracers and gloves. Personally I'd rather change the fields manually than try to deal with something coded into the sheet

Really, changing gems manually everytime you change an item piece it's extremely troublesome, makes it much harder to find optimal setups because 90% of the time is spent on changing gems.