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Old 05/12/09, 5:45 PM   #796
Murderizer
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Orc Warrior
 
Kel'Thuzad
The Furious t1 weapon is still better than Lotrafen and very easy to obtain however.

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Old 05/12/09, 8:07 PM   #797
muramid
Glass Joe
 
Night Elf Warrior
 
Garona
I updated my Fury BiS Non Hard mode gear and currently getting 6330 DPS.

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Old 05/12/09, 8:13 PM   #798
Fenora
Glass Joe
 
Night Elf Warrior
 
Darksorrow (EU)
For fury BiS:

[Conqueror's Siegebreaker Shoulderplates] -> [Shoulderpads of the Intruder]
[Conqueror's Siegebreaker Battleplate] -> [Chestguard of the Recluse]
Remove 4prt t8 bonus, fiddle a bit with the gems

6706.3 dps -> 6734.7 dps

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Old 05/13/09, 5:41 AM   #799
Jordybe
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Night Elf Warrior
 
Twisting Nether (EU)
Can you guys maybe also give a list for BiS gear for 10man non-hard mode Arms warrior?
We only do 10man's, and probably no hard modes because no body cares about loot but about the instance....

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Old 05/13/09, 7:01 AM   #800
Akai_Kage
Glass Joe
 
Gnome Warrior
 
C'Thun (EU)
I think it would be a nice to include these BiS non-hard mode gear lists to the first post so they don't get lost when this thread gains 3-4 more pages.

Btw, good work guys ^^¡¡¡

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Old 05/13/09, 7:40 AM   #801
Thairne
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Tauren Warrior
 
Nathrezim (EU)
Originally Posted by Murderizer View Post
The Furious t1 weapon is still better than Lotrafen and very easy to obtain however.
The Furious T1 has the same DPS as Lotrafen, 2 Sockets, 50 AP and is .2 slower.
Lotrafen however has 3,81% crit and 6,5% ArP.

With my BiS NH Armslist, the PvP weapon fully socketed with ArP and a Dragonseye is ~100 Dps behind Lotrafen.

Lotrafen SEP is 852, Furious 757.

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Old 05/13/09, 8:00 AM   #802
Kaan
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Orc Warrior
 
Blackrock (EU)
The T2 Furious Weapon is however better by a amount of about 50-80 DPS. But don't forget about Dark Edge of Depravity... The World of Warcraft Armory I think this weapon could even be better when utilizing the hit rating on it properly.

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Old 05/13/09, 9:25 AM   #803
muramid
Glass Joe
 
Night Elf Warrior
 
Garona
I updated my Arms BiS Non hard mode list, and I'm getting 6104 DPS. With [Furious Gladiator's Sunderer] it's 6134 DPS. It's on page 32 if anyone wants to check it out.

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Old 05/13/09, 10:06 AM   #804
Vitalstatistix
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Orc Warrior
 
Shadow Council
Originally Posted by Akai_Kage View Post
I think it would be a nice to include these BiS non-hard mode gear lists to the first post so they don't get lost when this thread gains 3-4 more pages.
While these lists are helpful its starting to get out of hand. Really, its something people can figure out on their own. We'd just end up cluttering the first post with lists for every different race and profession combinaion out there. Not to mention the few different spec variations or lists with 10man hard mode only but not 25 man, etc.

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Old 05/13/09, 10:27 AM   #805
Friedrich
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Tauren Warrior
 
Maelstrom
Originally Posted by Vitalstatistix View Post
While these lists are helpful its starting to get out of hand. Really, its something people can figure out on their own. We'd just end up cluttering the first post with lists for every different race and profession combinaion out there. Not to mention the few different spec variations or lists with 10man hard mode only but not 25 man, etc.
I don't think that would be helpful. It's common for people to run both 10 and 25-mans; the instances are of roughly comparable difficulty. However, it's a big jump from 25-normal to 10-hard on most encounters. So a non-hardmode gear list that has items from both 10- and 25-man definitely makes sense to have IMO.

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Old 05/13/09, 10:40 AM   #806
rejdakon
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Human Warrior
 
Der Rat von Dalaran (EU)
landsoul, I might be mistaken but I think the Armor Constant for the calculation of the ArP effectiveness cap is wrong. It is the one for a lvl 80 mob, but should probably use the one for a lvl 83 mob (should be 16635 instead of 15232.5, unless i overlooked something).

Using the lvl83 constant futher increases the value of ArP.

Last edited by rejdakon : 05/13/09 at 10:46 AM.

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Old 05/13/09, 1:25 PM   #807
Slafsinator
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Night Elf Warrior
 
Stormscale (EU)
Originally Posted by rejdakon View Post
landsoul, I might be mistaken but I think the Armor Constant for the calculation of the ArP effectiveness cap is wrong. It is the one for a lvl 80 mob, but should probably use the one for a lvl 83 mob (should be 16635 instead of 15232.5, unless i overlooked something).

Using the lvl83 constant futher increases the value of ArP.
The thing is though, Sir, is that you are mistaken.

The Armor Constant is for the player, not the mob. So a level 80 player will have the same constant of 15232.5 regardless of the target's level. Ghostcrawler made a mistake on that part in his post and testing has proven this.

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Old 05/13/09, 4:41 PM   #808
landsoul
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Worgen Warrior
 
Alterac Mountains
Updated again, please read the front page for changes.

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Old 05/13/09, 6:08 PM   #809
Murderizer
Von Kaiser
 
Orc Warrior
 
Kel'Thuzad
Originally Posted by Thairne View Post
The Furious T1 has the same DPS as Lotrafen, 2 Sockets, 50 AP and is .2 slower.
Lotrafen however has 3,81% crit and 6,5% ArP.

With my BiS NH Armslist, the PvP weapon fully socketed with ArP and a Dragonseye is ~100 Dps behind Lotrafen.

Lotrafen SEP is 852, Furious 757.
I was basing this off my current gear, which has the pvp weapon ahead by like 20 dps (I'm also an orc - free expertise ftw).
I guess if you're not an Orc you'll get better returns from the Lotrafen though. That 5 expertise makes a big difference.

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Old 05/13/09, 6:20 PM   #810
Graul
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Orc Warrior
 
Fenris
I don't know what's changed in terms of calculations other than allowing ArP to go into the negatives, but from simply updating to the latest sheet somehow my DPS jumped up by 173 and the number it was originally at was extremely generous to begin with. I'm now supposed to be doing 6000 DPS on single target fights as Fury? I've always taken the figures the sheet gave with a grain of salt, but something about that just doesn't look right.

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