Warrior DPS Calculation Spreadsheet - Page 62

Machinator · 05/21/09, 10:21 AM

Originally Posted by landsoul

which is definately different from the wowwiki note as f = 7,3.5,1.75 values which is what I've used for years.

I think that the formula was changed when rage was buffed.

Found it on wowwiki:
"Historical note: Starting in 2.0.1 but prior to 2.0.10, these numbers were smaller. f for a main-hand normal hit prior to 2.0.10, for example, was 2.5."

But its looking like the whole thing might have to retested anyway.

Originally Posted by Graul

So it looks like either of the two ArP trinkets just became a lot less attractive except on a few specific fights unless you're sitting under 40% ArP.

This makes me wonder how a set with high base ArP and non-arp trinkets would do compared to a set with low base ArP and both GT/Mjolnir. But thats another thing that might be more accurate with multiple sheets too.

Paradosi · 05/21/09, 2:03 PM

Originally Posted by Machinator

I think that the formula was changed when rage was buffed.

Found it on wowwiki:
"Historical note: Starting in 2.0.1 but prior to 2.0.10, these numbers were smaller. f for a main-hand normal hit prior to 2.0.10, for example, was 2.5."

But its looking like the whole thing might have to retested anyway.

This makes me wonder how a set with high base ArP and non-arp trinkets would do compared to a set with low base ArP and both GT/Mjolnir. But thats another thing that might be more accurate with multiple sheets too.

Using both GT/MR is a complete waste now. There is just too much Arp in BiS gear that at least one of those trinkets will be useless. You would have to use a lot of Naxx gear or ulduar gear with haste to make use of both the GT & MR.

The set up I want to try will have as much passive Arp as possible with no Arp trinkets. Arp still has exponential returns at higher levels even before the CAP still making it our best stat. I figure it's best to have our best stat maximized then fulfilled for only 10 seconds every so often. I have a feeling Mace spec has a buff coming its way or that all 3 specs will be a lot more balanced so getting up to 100% passive armor penetration won't be as difficult without gimping yourself.

Right now, aside from the Greatness trinket which replaces GT, there aren't many attractive trinkets to replace MR. MoT, WS, Botog if you need hit, or the new one from Algalon 10 man are all good choices for now. But you just know that 25 man Algalon will have some bad ass trinket, hopefully!

Machinator · 05/21/09, 4:28 PM

Originally Posted by Paradosi

Using both GT/MR is a complete waste now. There is just too much Arp in BiS gear that at least one of those trinkets will be useless. You would have to use a lot of Naxx gear or ulduar gear with haste to make use of both the GT & MR.

But that BiS slot is probably BiS because it has ArP on it, you change a trinket or weapon and get different BiS that get the same dps.
I'm not sure both are a waste, the chance of them both being up at the same time are ~4% if I am reading the sheet right. And its not a complete loss even when they both proc. Just like old double executioner enchants, even though they didn't stack they could still match mongoose for dps. But its something that would have to be calculated out for a verdict.

landsoul · 05/21/09, 4:43 PM

About the rage generation, I can't believe I forgot they changed it in 2.0.10. I'll have to go back and refit it to 7, 3.5, 1.75, but that still does not explain why I am getting sometimes 2 rage on a main hand hit when I attack the dummy naked.

Also, I found that the 5% extra crit from the old heroic glyph was still in there, so I took that out, and also the Main Hand Rage Gain was not properly taking into account weapon speed for the normalized portion, so it was thinking that heroics were cheaper than normal.

Machinator · 05/21/09, 9:53 PM

Are you saying the current sheet does not use 7,3.5,1.75?

And is that normalization something we can fix, its hard to tell where anything this though.

premed · 05/21/09, 10:40 PM

Is there anything to do to change the value of grim toll or mjolnir after you have reached the soft cap besides manually editing the 665(or 612 for grim toll) to the value you actually use of it(aka, 100% ArP in rating -Arp from gear and battle stance)?

i wonder at what point other trinkets become better because you are only effectively using a few hundred of the arp from the proc

landsoul · 05/21/09, 11:42 PM

I updated. As the user, you don't need to worry about anything. It automatically blocks any penetration amount over the cap.

Wymorence · 05/22/09, 1:56 AM

I think the new version is a little messed up with the gear or something. It's got 2 piece T8 set bonus enabled, but only the T8 helm on, 3 T7 pieces, and the Chestguard of the Recluse. Also has BoH in both the main hand and off.

Graul · 05/22/09, 2:34 AM

Originally Posted by Wymorence

I think the new version is a little messed up with the gear or something. It's got 2 piece T8 set bonus enabled, but only the T8 helm on, 3 T7 pieces, and the Chestguard of the Recluse. Also has BoH in both the main hand and off.

You need to look again. He's wearing the 10 man version gloves and I'm missing your point about having double Betrayers. I still think the Heroic frequency is too high by around 8% but the sheet is back to being "closer to reality" figures.

Wymorence · 05/22/09, 2:51 AM

Ahhh, i seriously hate the entire "let's use the same prefix for the T8 gear that the T7.5 gear uses" idea they used for T8 gear... I'd have to get back ingame to see what the ArP proc % is on Grim Toll, but I would initially think that a pair of Rune Edges or even just one would net you more bang for your buck than dual BoH currently, despite putting you closer to 50% static ArP. Especially if you don't have JCing on your warrior, your ArP levels drop to around 40% from 43%.

Part of me is going to be darn irritated if I just got my T8.5 chest tonight to see the BIS go back to Maly25's leather piece too. Not to mention the fact that I just a few days ago deleted my old RoI to save bank space...

Graul · 05/22/09, 2:57 AM

Originally Posted by Wymorence

stuff...

The sheet is not listing "best in slot" when you start it, it's showing what Landsoul was wearing at the time, it's that simple.

gill_bates · 05/22/09, 3:36 AM

42 AP stun reduction Meta is a terrible terrible idea,this sheet is meant to represent how the best gemming would affect your ideal 25man DPS,same with the 16ap gem,8str > 16ap...short simple fact,still you could add both gems to the sheet if you wanted,but the fact it doesnt recognize it seems to show that those gems are perhaps not the best choice

Psywulf, point taken. TY

Will regem for Str or maybe ArP .. after checking spreadsheet ofc.

Wymorence · 05/22/09, 3:42 AM

Originally Posted by Graul

The sheet is not listing "best in slot" when you start it, it's showing what Landsoul was wearing at the time, it's that simple.

Ah, apologies then, as a lot of the previous releases were set up with what was basically agreed to be the current BIS list, so it threw me off suddenly seeing so many drastic differences. Well, hopefully the T8.5 chest is still BIS then, otherwise I think I won't be alive after the end of the month once the hunter firing squad gets through with me.

halton · 05/22/09, 10:47 AM

Good work, again. You might want to point out on the frontpage that the ARP changes remove any possibility executioner will ever be a valid choice over berserking.

Phoenix · 05/22/09, 12:08 PM

Got something funny going on with the spreadsheet. All my unbuffed stats are bang on aside from my crit, AP and health. All my gems, race etc are correct (I checked bazillion times because I thought I was going mad).

My AP is 72 too low, my crit is 0.13% too high and my healths way out - im at 22951 in-game but the sheet says 27485.

Any ideas ?