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Old 09/16/09, 5:05 PM   #1726
 Bluefish
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Troll Shaman
 
Lethon
Originally Posted by amethyst View Post
I found that manually entering a negative exp value of say -51 (the amount I am looking to replace from gems) in the manual adjustments section of the spreadsheet, allows the lookup tables to sort items with expertise in a way that correctly indicates their usefulness to me.
A better way to do this is to use the options on the far left of the Lookup sheet. Turn on "Use Exp Adjustment," then use "Adjust Expertise to:" and set the value to your most valuable stat's SEP.

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Old 09/16/09, 5:11 PM   #1727
StaxRexx
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Rexxar
Originally Posted by Mad_Murdock View Post
I read in Landsoul's comments, not to use the sheet to prove if ARMs\Fury is better than the other. Can someone give me the quick answer as to why ? Or of I'm comparing the 2, and Arms is showing 800 dps more, why that may not be accurate or a fair metric ?
The two pages are not developed to reflect each other they use independant calculations to estimate the dps a set of gear might produce and more importantly how your dps would change if you altered that set. They are not intended to be compared side by side but rather to help you make choices regarding upgrades, enchants and gems.

As far as which is better... you shouldn't need a sheet to tell you.

I was Fury Before the Lich King Came... I was Fury before Titan's Grip... I was Fury Before it was cool...

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Old 09/16/09, 8:28 PM   #1728
Machinator
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Troll Warrior
 
Aggramar
Originally Posted by amethyst View Post
Due to lack of expertise on my current gear, 51 of my exp rating is from gems.

I am therefore interested in items that have expertise on them, as I could then switch the exp gems for ArP gems, however the spreadsheet is (obviously) rating expertise as useless for me, as I am capped, thereby devaluing items with expertise on.

For anyone else in the same situation, I found that manually entering a negative exp value of say -51 (the amount I am looking to replace from gems) in the manual adjustments section of the spreadsheet, allows the lookup tables to sort items with expertise in a way that correctly indicates their usefulness to me.
A better way to do this would be to use the Exp adjustment on the Lookup page and adjust Exp to 1. This would represent you dropping the Exp gems for Str gems.

"Information is ammunition."

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Old 09/17/09, 1:34 AM   #1729
drakthuel
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Orc Warrior
 
Vashj
Text for "Fetch Armory" button isn't over button

Page: Fury, Arms
Type: Format
The text "Fetch Armory" is not over the green button as it should be, instead its below it on top of the prismatic slot for the belts.

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Old 09/17/09, 1:44 AM   #1730
drakthuel
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Orc Warrior
 
Vashj
Changing Talents is Annoying

Page: Fury, Arms
Type: Concept/Format
Currently if I click on a talent it selects the picture which doesn't allow me to change its value, instead I must click the cell beside the picture and navigate over with the arrow keys, then it highlights the cell and provides the drop down list.

A fix, while exceedingly tedious is to macro each picture with something like this (which is form "Imp. Cleave" on Arms):

Sub Picture88_Click()
Range("AL7").Select
End Sub

Another, possibility is to reformat things so that the picture wasn't the entire width of the cell, but that the value was to the left (or right) of the image so that clicking on it would select the cell.

(This is probably very low priority, and mostly just an annoyance, not bug.)

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Old 09/17/09, 7:32 AM   #1731
Kiwair
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Undead Warrior
 
Les Clairvoyants (EU)
Page: Lookup
Type: Formula
Gloves of the Silver Assassin (Heroic) /Sunreaver Assassin's Gloves (Heroic) are listed on Arms/Fury pages with only one red socket.

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Old 09/17/09, 8:34 AM   #1732
Ramides
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Dwarf Warrior
 
Gul'dan (EU)
Originally Posted by landsoul View Post
If offhand expertise is different than mainhand expertise due to racials it does take it into account. Notice there are seperate fields for mainhand/offhand dodge and crit. You only get one bonus per hand, not double bonus for both when wearing two maces.
hmm... I know that. But cause I'm not sure if you understood me right I made a picture for you, cause I don't understand the output.

http://img170.imageshack.us/img170/4...nvsedriron.jpg

edit: doesn't have any thing to do with my question ... but... Gloves item comparion on lookup-tab doesn't work.

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Old 09/17/09, 10:48 AM   #1733
Whorane
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Human Warrior
 
Tichondrius
Page: Fury, Arms
Error Type: Typo
The socket bonus for Guise of the Midgard Serpent is wrong. Currently it is +16 attack power, it should be +32 attack power.

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Old 09/17/09, 11:12 AM   #1734
amethyst
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Earthen Ring (EU)
Originally Posted by Mad_Murdock View Post
Am I doing something wrong or did something change ?
Do a quick search through the arms dps discussion thread for posts about expertise.

I don't know the exact figures, as I've not been arms for a while now, but the SEP for expertise is indeed low for arms spec, due to the bonus gained (overpower lights up) if your attack is dodged.

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Old 09/17/09, 11:18 AM   #1735
Speeder
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Burning Legion (EU)
Originally Posted by amethyst View Post
Do a quick search through the arms dps discussion thread for posts about expertise.

I don't know the exact figures, as I've not been arms for a while now, but the SEP for expertise is indeed low for arms spec, due to the bonus gained (overpower lights up) if your attack is dodged.
plus Overpower itself cannot be dodged/parried

peace MK

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Old 09/17/09, 12:38 PM   #1736
Coeus
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Kilrogg
Originally Posted by Whorane View Post
Page: Fury, Arms
Error Type: Typo
The socket bonus for Guise of the Midgard Serpent is wrong. Currently it is +16 attack power, it should be +32 attack power.
Read the comment on the Guise of the Midgard Serpent in the Lookup tab. It's actually a sort of complex issue having to do with Blizzard putting too much bonus on the socket but not being able to change socket bonuses after the fact. I think there's a write up about it in the Item Level Calculation thread.

Short answer, the +16 AP missing from the socket bonus is rolled into the main AP on the item. It's in the comment in the Lookup tab.

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Old 09/17/09, 7:08 PM   #1737
Bushidou
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Human Warrior
 
Kazzak (EU)
Page: FURY, ARMS
Error Type: REFERENCE
Gloves of Bitter Reprisal (Heroic) doesnt properly display gem slots when used with blacksmithing.

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Old 09/17/09, 7:55 PM   #1738
Ran Newman
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Orc Warrior
 
Terokkar (EU)
Page: Arms
Error Type: Reference
When i load my charcter from the armory, the page shows [Armguards of the Nether Lord], insted of [Armguards of the Nether Lord].

Page: Lookup
Type: Reference
[Mark of Supremacy] is lacking.

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Old 09/18/09, 1:32 PM   #1739
taureion
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Human Warrior
 
Kil'Jaeden (EU)
First: I use german excel.
Well, i put comma instead of dots into the fury sheet and formatted cells C102 and C104 manually, but i still get all the #div/0 in the sheet...
Is there anything i do wrong? How can i fix the fury sheet?

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Old 09/19/09, 12:39 AM   #1740
Cortic
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Aman'Thul
Quick query re: ArP Nerf in 3.2.2

I read a few pages back that to get the ArP value changed in anticipation of the ArP nerf we had to manually change the ArP coefficient in cell E86 from 1.25 to 1.1

Is this still true?

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Old 09/19/09, 2:20 AM   #1741
BWarner
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Uldum
Originally Posted by Cortic View Post
Quick query re: ArP Nerf in 3.2.2

I read a few pages back that to get the ArP value changed in anticipation of the ArP nerf we had to manually change the ArP coefficient in cell E86 from 1.25 to 1.1

Is this still true?
Uh... look in the cell on whatever sheet you have, and see if it has /1.1 or /1.25?

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Old 09/19/09, 3:40 AM   #1742
Cortic
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Aman'Thul
Originally Posted by BWarner View Post
Uh... look in the cell on whatever sheet you have, and see if it has /1.1 or /1.25?
Yeah it has 1.25 as default I just wanted to know if by changing it to 1.1 it was still the correct way to get 3.2.2 ArP changes?

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Old 09/19/09, 12:34 PM   #1743
losreyes
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Orc Warrior
 
Magtheridon (EU)
Originally Posted by taureion View Post
First: I use german excel.
Well, i put comma instead of dots into the fury sheet and formatted cells C102 and C104 manually, but i still get all the #div/0 in the sheet...
Is there anything i do wrong? How can i fix the fury sheet?
As a spanish user im still having the same issue aswell, in arms and fury sheets. Is there any way to help you to know whats causing the error? i guess you cant fix it if your spreadsheet works.

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Old 09/19/09, 2:24 PM   #1744
Goatsey
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Draenei Warrior
 
Ravencrest (EU)
Originally Posted by Cortic View Post
Yeah it has 1.25 as default I just wanted to know if by changing it to 1.1 it was still the correct way to get 3.2.2 ArP changes?
Yes, it remains the same to see the armor pen changes in 3.2.2, basically the "/1.25" was to reflect the changes in patch 3.1 to make armor pen 25% more efficient. Now, with the nerf, they said they were effectively buffing it from the original value by 10%, so the "/1.25" becomes "/1.1" to make it 10% more efficient than the original figure.

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Old 09/19/09, 7:54 PM   #1745
thiouke
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Tauren Warrior
 
Lightbringer
I recently have a chance to buy the Relentless Gladiator's GreatSword for my fury MH. But when I played around in the spreadsheet it said that the Edge of Agony (drops of 10 man twins) is better. Is this right? I thought the dps on the relentless would trump the lack of stats vs the Edge of Agony

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Old 09/19/09, 11:04 PM   #1746
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To the people with localization issues: make sure it's a fresh copy you're modifying. Once the spreadsheet gets a #DIV error, it breaks in a lot of different places. So download it again (and this time save the original copy) and go enter 0,1 in the fields C102 and C104 before you enter or change anything else. It works fine for me in both versions.

Originally Posted by thiouke View Post
I recently have a chance to buy the Relentless Gladiator's GreatSword for my fury MH. But when I played around in the spreadsheet it said that the Edge of Agony (drops of 10 man twins) is better. Is this right? I thought the dps on the relentless would trump the lack of stats vs the Edge of Agony
[Edge of Agony] got 183 attack power, 112 agility (~2.40% unbuffed crit), 86 arpen rating (6.98%), 62 haste rating (1.89%) and 1 socket, while [Relentless Gladiator's Greatsword] got 271 attack power, 90 crit rating (1.96% crit) and 23 more DPS. Put a strength gem in the socket (44 attack power) and it sums up to 0.44% crit, 6.98% ArPen and 1.89% haste versus 44 attack power and 23 more DPS.

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Old 09/21/09, 7:11 AM   #1747
Ran Newman
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Orc Warrior
 
Terokkar (EU)
Is it possible to have Rend vs MS table? I found out that planty of times MS finish cooldown while rend have <0.5 duration left - at which point i don't know if i should MS, or wait and refresh rend. normaly i just use MS, but the lower the time left on rend the harder the choice is, and i am preaty sure its possible to nail the breakdown point using the spreadsheet.

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Old 09/21/09, 1:06 PM   #1748
taureion
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Human Warrior
 
Kil'Jaeden (EU)
Originally Posted by Kalroth View Post
To the people with localization issues: make sure it's a fresh copy you're modifying. Once the spreadsheet gets a #DIV error, it breaks in a lot of different places. So download it again (and this time save the original copy) and go enter 0,1 in the fields C102 and C104 before you enter or change anything else. It works fine for me in both versions.
I tried it three times and it didn't work. Sad =(

So i'm looking forward to the next version or maybe the excel '03 version works for me.

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Old 09/22/09, 9:35 AM   #1749
Thorhammar
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Human Warrior
 
Ragnaros
I'm still having issues with the spreadsheet when trying to calculate SEP values, wow armory import works, the formulas are modified according to the intro sheet of the spreadsheet, excel was fresh installed, etc, all the criteria needed for the spreadsheet to work was fulfilled but still I'm getting the #VALOR! error when calculating SEP.

Everything else works just fine, only that is failing, any ideas about how to solve it?
Also I'm from Argentina (South America), but I don't think it would be a localization issue since I'm not getting the /DIV! error just the #VALOR! :S

Any help would be really appreciated!

Thanks a lot to all!

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Old 09/22/09, 3:27 PM   #1750
Gregor
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Draenei Warrior
 
Bonechewer
Troubleshooting Help

Hey all,

Sorry but I need some help troubleshooting the new spreadsheet. I've been a huge fan of this tool for months now, but I just installed Excel 07 and the new program won't run very well for me.

Error message - When I try to get my profile from Armory, I get the following message: Microsoft Visual Basic Run-time Error 91. Object Variable or With Block Variable not set.

DPS Metric- is stuck to Landsoul's numbers, even after manually inputting all my gear/gems.

I think this program is invaluable, and I'd like to keep using it so any help at all would really be appreciated.

thanks very much!

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