Warrior DPS Calculation Spreadsheet - Page 74

zav.jerk · 06/05/09, 7:11 AM

Seems like the div/0 errors come from Windfury and Heart of the Crusader. At least at my sheet only those two cause the error.

Edit: Seems like Latency&Reaction Time have some effect on it too.

Eliminate2 · 06/05/09, 7:22 AM

Originally Posted by catch22atplay

I think you have a winner here Landsoul. I haven't tested in a raid setting yet. However i did test on the 70, 80 and 83 dummy. I get at best within 0.25% for each ability and at worse 2% on Bloodsurge (RNG screws it up). I actually beat the spreadsheet 4 out of 5 times on each of the 3 dummies. But looking at it RNG was on my side with crits, bloodsurge and trinket procs when i beat it. The times i lost was when RNG was against me and or when i screwed up my rotation. That's the way it should be and was. 5 15 minute tests on each dummy.

BTW my priority is Bloodsurge over BT if BT has 0.5 seconds or longer to come off cooldown. So i am pushing BT and WW 0.5 seconds down the ladder every time i do this. After testing for quite a while this seems to do better for me. Waiting to only use Bloodsurge when there's an open GCD every 8 seconds was a loss in dps. Ended up being 1 bloodsurge every 12 seconds or worse and a lot of do nothing wasted time. Prioritizing BS over BT raised it to 1 BS every 10 seconds or better. If fact sometimes RNG really liked me and i was doing 1 BS every 6 seconds. BS is just to random for my tastes. I'd suggest more people test the rotation and see how they do.

I must say i'm extremely pleased. This is amazingly accurate given RNG with Bloodsurge.

HS use looks spot on. I'm sure HS use will become a bit inflated fully raid buffed etc as you'll exceed 100 rage and waste potential rage. Hitting a dummy unbuffed doesn't have this effect or rarely did in my tests.

I was playing around with it last night in raid. On iron council hard mode. It seemed to me, my dps output was higher when I just prioritized bt and ww over BS.

ww (0sec), bt(1.5sec), gcd[slam, brage, deathwish, etc...](3.0sec), gcd(4.5sec), bt(6.0sec), repeat
is the rotation you're getting at.

This causes a 8.5 sec rotation cycle, since the next BT isnt available till 10.0sec. More often then not, I waste one of the gcd, due to bloodsurge not proccing or what not, which means that bt gets pulled up 0.5sec in the rotation

ww, bt, gcd, bt, repeat causes a 8.0 sec rotation, which seems to do overall more dps due to RNG nature of BS.

At least in a raid situation, since bt and ww hits like trucks. Every 64 cylcles, you would gain the 8.0sec for a full rotation. A rotation of definitely gonna be there skills is > then 64 RNG at the right time bloodsurge.

Although I most likely will rotate between the 2 sets, due to RNG. If doing one or the other. I would pick the latter.

Pikeness · 06/05/09, 4:06 PM

Originally Posted by Inukenshin

Last night on XT(hard)

26.1% - Heroic Strike
19.7% - Bloodthirst
15.9% - Melee
14.5% - Deep Wound
13.0% - Whirlwind
7.40% - Slam

Which is within 0.5% of what the spreadsheet predicts, pretty accurate if you ask me. Keep up the good work :P

I'm not understanding how people get more HS then any other move? Just spamming HS every chance you get?

landsoul · 06/05/09, 4:27 PM

That's the point, yes. Most people bind HS to mousewheel down.

Latham · 06/05/09, 4:41 PM

Originally Posted by Pikeness

I'm not understanding how people get more HS then any other move? Just spamming HS every chance you get?

If you have the rage there's no reason not to spam HS. In a majority of the fights in Ulduar I have a full rage bar so you can pretty much just spam HS.

Pikeness · 06/05/09, 5:27 PM

Yea, but what I mean is, On top of doing your normal rotations of BT/WW and using bloodsurge procs, then rage dumping HS.

My recount tends to have Melee/bt/WW(sometimes cleave) but nowhere near is HS up there. So, if the rage allows you cut out all the other abilities and just us HS?

Deus_Phasmatis · 06/05/09, 5:29 PM

Originally Posted by Pikeness

I'm not understanding how people get more HS then any other move? Just spamming HS every chance you get?

Heroic Strike "absorbs" the damage of the white swing it is used on. So while the Heroic Strike, in and of itself, isn't adding that much damage, it appears to because it modifies auto-attacks, which do make up a very large portion of Fury DPS.

Edit:

Originally Posted by Pikeness

Yea, but what I mean is, On top of doing your normal rotations of BT/WW and using bloodsurge procs, then rage dumping HS.

My recount tends to have Melee/bt/WW(sometimes cleave) but nowhere near is HS up there. So, if the rage allows you cut out all the other abilities and just us HS?

You don't replace using your normal WW/BT/Slam rotation, you just have to use HS aggressively whenever you have the spare rage. It depends on your gear, raid makeup and how much rage from incoming damage you're getting.

Pikeness · 06/05/09, 5:34 PM

I'm still very confused, I'm use to just WW/BT/Slam on procs and HS as a rage dump. I dont understand how you can use any other moves and have the ability to use HS that often. In other words, the rotations and priority has changed, correct? meaning, just HS, and BT, Slam on proc, and WW every now and then?

Deus_Phasmatis · 06/05/09, 5:37 PM

No, you always want to try and keep WW and BT on cooldown, and use Bloodsurge procs whenever possible. What exactly do you mean by "rage dump"? At 100 rage? 80? 60? A basic approach is to always keep enough rage to use Whirlwind and Bloodthirst, so you'd use Heroic Strike whenever you have 60 or more rage.

Pikeness · 06/05/09, 5:41 PM

That's exactly what I do, but never have I see HS anywhere near #1 spot for dmg on my recount, its usually always Melee Hits/BT/Deep Wounds/WW and HS...But I've been noticing people having it where their HS is 25% of their attacks...

Deus_Phasmatis · 06/05/09, 5:55 PM

Well, how much DPS are you doing? Are you getting the full set of raid buffs? HS becomes a greater percentage of your damage the more DPS you do, because you end up converting the extra rage from higher white damage into HS.

Pikeness · 06/05/09, 5:58 PM

So, I guess the really only way is to wait for a true raid setting? Cause I've been trying on lvl 80target dummies sometimes lvl 70's so I can get the nice rage and still can't get my HS ANYWHERE near that, every test is always the same, HS tends to be right above slam procs.. eh

Deus_Phasmatis · 06/05/09, 6:04 PM

Originally Posted by Pikeness

So, I guess the really only way is to wait for a true raid setting? Cause I've been trying on lvl 80target dummies sometimes lvl 70's so I can get the nice rage and still can't get my HS ANYWHERE near that, every test is always the same, HS tends to be right above slam procs.. eh

That would definitely be your problem. You aren't going to get near that kind of HS damage alone on a target dummy.

Machinator · 06/05/09, 7:01 PM

Originally Posted by landsoul

Yes, I know about the massive jump in damage when I finalized the changes, but keep in mind (and I am keeping in mind as well) the rotations are fairly advanced and they aren't nearly what the average player can sustain.

What is the rotation or priorities the sheet uses exactly? I see the averages of the rotations, but I am not seeing the purpose of doing so since they seem to be segments of several different rotations rather than the permutations of the same rotation/priority tree, e.g. WW would be used twice in under 8s.

landsoul · 06/05/09, 9:56 PM

They are expanded BT-WW-BT rotations with assumed slams in between at times appropriate where you don't lose too much WW and BT damage in current and next periods. I then calculated the chance to achieve that particular period expansion based on your bloodsurge chance for each acceptable free global time, etc. The attack types per second for each period expansion for each attack type are averaged together based on the chance to have that period.