Warrior DPS Calculation Spreadsheet - Page 96

IggyMac · 08/16/09, 6:36 PM

Originally Posted by Gamca

Hi,
anybody getting error while importing from European armory ? (eu.wowarmory.com)

I've been getting an error importing from regular US armory. It's been having trouble pulling out my talent trees, but gets my gear just fine. I suspect it may have to do with dual specc, but don't quote me on that one. I was going to wait for Landsoul's most recent sheet before reporting the error, because chances are it'll be fixed.

Rendrakó · 08/16/09, 6:52 PM

How much arp rateing you exactly need to have 100%arp with sunder and ff? thx for help.

Eliminate2 · 08/16/09, 7:07 PM

I thought the import system broke with the last armory flash update, did Landsoul fix it?

earle117 · 08/16/09, 7:21 PM

Originally Posted by Rendrakó

How much arp rateing you exactly need to have 100%arp with sunder and ff? thx for help.

Same amount as if you didn't have Sunder and FF.

landsoul · 08/16/09, 10:06 PM

I'm probably going to leave talents out of the armory pull this build and fix it later.

Troutinator · 08/17/09, 1:30 AM

We need the next version Landsoul! :-) Must have new numbers to toy with! :-D

Thanks for all the hard work.

Narcissus · 08/17/09, 10:51 AM

I only signed up to say thanks. You do a hell of a job with the spreadsheet and provide an irreplaceable service to the wow community. Hopefully as all the people keep this page refreshed to seek that update of yours we're all pining on, they realize just how lucky we all our to have you doing this.

If you need help with anything feel free to ask.

Shrakz · 08/17/09, 10:52 AM

Hey guys, New poster here.

Originally Posted by landsoul

I know about sample size and how estimating error works. My beef and hunch (may or may not be a good reason) is that 24% does not follow the function for increasing glance chances per level increase. It's 10% for 80, 15% for 81, 20% for 82. Why would it be one less than the previous increases? It does not make sense, and I know that most mechanics don't follow a 'must make sense' thing, but it just doesnt make sense.

I guess I'll do some more afk autoattacking later.

As I was reading the thread this week-end, I figured I'd try to help determining the glance chance and maybe save Landsoul some 25-50k attacks in afk mode.

There is no way we could get a big enough sample of attacks from 1 person to determine with a small margin of error the glance chance. So I thought of posting a "standard" protocol for some autoattacking tests to try and get autoattack samples from a lot of lvl 80 warriors.

If any of you wants to contribute, you can PM me your recount SS and I'll compile all the results. We could even get far more than 25-50k attacks this way but the results would only be relevant if we all follow the same protocol for the test. We could also use this to confirm with solid numbers the expertise cap/hit cap etc.

I'll be running my own tests using this setup:
. Orc warrior, Level 80
. Attacking training dummy from behind, without any armor or equipment with any stat.
. I'll be using a weapon that's not an axe (to not get any expertise from racial)
. No talents whatsoever for the test (completely empty talent trees, mainly to not get precision, weapon mastery, Str of arms)

So, to reproduce the test with almost any other warrior you should:
. Have empty talent trees
. Have no hit / expertise at all from your gear (I'd recommend naked to avoid repair costs)
. Not be a Draenei ...
. Not use a Sword/Mace if you're a human
. Not use a Mace if you're a dwarf
. Not send a sample that's too small for it to still be relevant and useful (I'm thinking about 2.5-5k attacks per sample should be fine and it would be great if I could get 10-20 samples). Of course, If you have time to provide a bigger sample, it's better.

If I missed anything relevant for the tests, please tell me !

Faithireon · 08/17/09, 10:58 AM

Originally Posted by Shrakz

Hey guys, New poster here.

As I was reading the thread this week-end, I figured I'd try to help determining the glance chance and maybe save Landsoul some 25-50k attacks in afk mode.

There is no way we could get a big enough sample of attacks from 1 person to determine with a small margin of error the glance chance. So I thought of posting a "standard" protocol for some autoattacking tests to try and get autoattack samples from a lot of lvl 80 warriors.

If any of you wants to contribute, you can PM me your recount SS and I'll compile all the results. We could even get far more than 25-50k attacks this way but the results would only be relevant if we all follow the same protocol for the test. We could also use this to confirm with solid numbers the expertise cap/hit cap etc.

I'll be running my own tests using this setup:
. Orc warrior, Level 80
. Attacking training dummy from behind, without any armor or equipment with any stat.
. I'll be using a weapon that's not an axe (to not get any expertise from racial)
. No talents whatsoever for the test (completely empty talent trees, mainly to not get precision, weapon mastery, Str of arms)

So, to reproduce the test with almost any other warrior you should:
. Have empty talent trees
. Have no hit / expertise at all from your gear (I'd recommend naked to avoid repair costs)
. Not be a Draenei ...
. Not use a Sword/Mace if you're a human
. Not use a Mace if you're a dwarf
. Not send a sample that's too small for it to still be relevant and useful (I'm thinking about 2.5-5k attacks per sample should be fine and it would be great if I could get 10-20 samples). Of course, If you have time to provide a bigger sample, it's better.

If I missed anything relevant for the tests, please tell me !

Wouldn't it be better to dual-wield two very fast weapons... say two daggers perhaps? More white swings in lower amount of time = large sample set size in less time, no? Plus, I'm pretty sure the glance chance is the same with DW as with non-DW so this should not affect the results (correct me if I am wrong of course).

Killigan · 08/17/09, 11:01 AM

Mah 1st Post

Using the current sheet, I was able to make a set of gear reaching 9570 dps. I don't know if its higher than what you posted, but it might be interresting to compare. Fury Spec. Thats with BS and JC. No 4P Tier 9 Bonus calculated. Using Fish Feast.

Edit: Added 91 Crit rating for 2P Tier 9 Bonus, Changed Value of Dragon's Eye from 27 to 34 Arp. (Thanks Crillick)

Total:
100.24% ARP
250 Hit rating
214 Expertise Rating

Helm: Wrynn's Helmet of Triumph (258) Retenless Meta, + 10 all stats
Neck: Collar of Ceaseless Torment (10 H) +20 Arp
Shoulders :Wrynn's Shoulderplates of Triumph (258) +20 Arp
Back: Vereesa's Dexterity (25H-TH) +20 Arp, +10Exp+10Hit
Chest: Wrynn's Battleplate of Triumph (258) +20Arp, +34Arp
Wrists: Bracers of the Untold Massacre (25 H) +20Arp, +20Arp
Gloves: Gloves of Bitter Reprisal (25 H) +20Arp, +20Arp
Waist: Belt of Deathly Dominion (25 H) +10exp+10Hit, +20Arp, +20Arp
Legs: Wrynn's Legplates of Triumph (258) +10Exp+10Hit, +20Arp
Boots: Greaves of the 7th Legion (25 H) +10Exp+10Hit, +20Str

Ring 1: Planestalker Signet (10 H) +20Arp
Ring 2: Gormok's Band (10 H) +20Arp

Trinket 1: Banner of Victory (5)
Trinket 2: Death's Verdict (25 H)

Weapon 1: Justicebringer (25 H) +34Arp,+20Arp
Weapon 2: Justicebringer (25 H) +34Arp,+20Arp

Ranged: Talonstrike (25 H) +20Exp

DK10 · 08/17/09, 11:14 AM

Originally Posted by Killigan

Using the current sheet, I was able to make a set of gear reaching 9345 dps. I don't know its its higher than what you posted but it might be interresting to compare. (fury). Thats with BS and JC. No Tier Bonus calculated. Using Fish Feast.

Total:
100.19% ARP
250 Hit rating
214 Expertise Rating

Helm: Wrynn's Helmet of Triumph (258) Retenless Meta, + 10 all stats
Neck: Collar of Ceaseless Torment (10 H) +20 Arp
Shoulders :Wrynn's Shoulderplates of Triumph (258) +20 Arp
Back: Vereesa's Dexterity (25H-TH) +20 Arp, +10Exp+10Hit
Chest: Wrynn's Battleplate of Triumph (258) +20Arp, +27Arp
Wrists: Bracers of the Untold Massacre (25 H) +20Arp, +20Arp
Gloves: Gloves of Bitter Reprisal (25 H) +20Arp, +20Arp
Waist: Belt of Deathly Dominion (25 H) +10exp+10Hit, +20Arp, +20Arp
Legs: Wrynn's Legplates of Triumph (258) +10Exp+10Hit, +20Arp
Boots: Greaves of the 7th Legion (25 H) +10Exp+10Hit, +20Arp

Ring 1: Planestalker Signet (10 H) +20Arp
Ring 2: Gormok's Band (10 H) +20Arp

Trinket 1: Banner of Victory (5)
Trinket 2: Death's Verdict (25 H)

Weapon 1: Justicebringer (25 H) +27Arp,+20Arp
Weapon 2: Justicebringer (25 H) +27Arp,+20Arp

Ranged: Talonstrike (25 H) +20Exp

Wow, I realize that getting this set of gear will probably only be possible to maybe .1% or less of the warrior population out there but those "wait till 3.3 for TG to take the nerf from 10% to 15% or 20%" jokes don't seem so far fetched now.

Either way a 100% arp all the time fury warrior seems amazing. With that gear you'd definitely be able to HS or Cleave 100% of the time pretty much.

Kipster · 08/17/09, 11:24 AM

Hello, for some reason I'm unable to download the 2007 one, keeps saying file not found, by any chance anyone could upload the file to other site I would appreciate it

galindon · 08/17/09, 12:46 PM

Originally Posted by Killigan

Mah 1st Post

Using the current sheet, I was able to make a set of gear reaching 9345 dps. I don't know if its higher than what you posted, but it might be interresting to compare. Fury Spec. Thats with BS and JC. No Tier Bonus calculated. Using Fish Feast.

Total:
100.19% ARP
250 Hit rating
214 Expertise Rating

This is roughly what I am seeing with the version I am using after I got all the T9 (bonuses), trinkets, SEP macros, and gear included. I was shocked on how high it got with the current sheet. Can we say rage capped?

*edit* Removed the long part of the quote

Shrakz · 08/17/09, 1:05 PM

Originally Posted by Faithireon

Wouldn't it be better to dual-wield two very fast weapons... say two daggers perhaps? More white swings in lower amount of time = large sample set size in less time, no? Plus, I'm pretty sure the glance chance is the same with DW as with non-DW so this should not affect the results (correct me if I am wrong of course).

I don't know if the glance chance is the same when dual wielding, but I see no reason why it wouldn't be. Anyway, i'm testing at the moment with 2x1h swords at 1.4 speed. I'll let you know when I have a decent sample of attacks if I think the tests can be done this way. I'd use daggers, but it's not maxed out yet for me !

Rushed · 08/17/09, 2:27 PM

Originally Posted by Killigan

Total:
100.19% ARP
250 Hit rating
214 Expertise Rating

So how does gemming for strength work out, along with an ArP trinket?