Okay thanks for ur input

Another thing, i'm wondering what i should use my Emblems of frost on, belts or shit like that or just wait for tokens?
Also how much ARP should a warrior with Grim Toll (or any arp proc tinket) have with t9 setbonus? (in percent+rating.)

I'm not sure of the how much information there is beyond this, but does the change to PPM procs (link here) affect us at all?

From what I understand this change nerfed the ability to get extra procs from certain skills such as Rogue poisons and Paladin seals. I'm not sure if deep wounds can refresh or create procs from items but it shouldn't be that much of a nerf to Warriors as it is to Rogues and Palas.

The PPM change definitely has effected Bryntroll. During raids i'm seeing around 50% less procs from drain life on particular boss fights (saurfang, rotface and festergut), with the proc making up between 1.5-2.5% of total damage, compared to 3.5-5% total damage in previous weeks. Our lock has not yet uploaded rotface logs for me to check the data, and the Saurfang logs we have are useless since i played arms prechange, and fury post-change, but im pretty certain this weapon just isnt proccing anywhere near as much.

Some decent dummy testing is needed and will be done, but I think I will be banking this weapon until I get shadows edge, as previous tier/icc10 weapons are certaintly a better choice in my eyes.


Edit : Some testing today revealed that I was perhaps wrong. 1012swings on the lvl80 dummy (988 landed) with offhand unequiped. 100 procs. So about 10.1% proc rate. Afterwards I put my fullgearset back on and did a full rotation dps test up to about 3.2million damage, getting 57 procs with procodile showing a 6.61ppm and 228dps rating for drain life.

Oddly this is almost the same as when I tested it pre change, however in our recent raids I was for some reason seeing a lot less procs and I'm not really sure why. I dont just jump to conclusions about things and I doubt that 2 nights of raiding (we wiped a lot on festergut before we killed it, aswell as a few silly wipes on rotface this week) could just be down to bad luck.

I'm testing on a dummy right now and 586 swings in I have 63 procs. This is reasonably close to an 11% proc rate which i believe it was determined to have pre-PPM changes.

Hello
Excuse for my English

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1. Dark blue stones on +30 STA are not shown





2. On gloves stones are confused by places

My guess is that Landsould didn't include the 30 sta gem because this is a DPS spreadsheet. Instead you should go with 10 str/15 sta or 10 arp/15 sta in your blue slots if you want to use blue gems.

Adding to the Bryntroll train here, I have 2 equipped atm (nothing better) I have 3596 swings, and 399 procs from the weapons, which comes out to about 11%.

I don't know how to apply any math to that, but I thought someone might be able to use it.

For a Bryntroll test is pretty easy:

List your MH weapon speed (on the weapon)
Equip bryntroll on mainhand (no offhand)
Be hit capped and dodge capped
Auto attack the dummy from behind 2000 times (2 hours)
Use recount or similar counting mod.
List how many hits (hits+crits) you did.
List your bryntroll procs.

Take your procs and divide by your hits. This result should be between 0.10 to 0.15.

From this I can calculate the chance to proc and put it in the next spreadsheet update. Since bryntroll proc is on the weapon itselfand only ability hits can proc it, PPM actually becomes irrelevant and a straight percent chance to proc can be used. Flurry and haste do not affect the chance to proc.

On the BiS set, why is Whispering Fanged Skull listed higher than Death's choice for fury both normal and heroic versions? I'm not seeing why at all =/

The proc only gives about 30 more average AP. so 318 AP versus 141 crit. 141 crit wins by 6 SEP. How is this so confusing?

I think you added a 0 to the swings there, no way you're getting 10,000 in in one hour. You can get about 1,000 though.

From my earlier post, 63 procs out of 586 = 10.75085%

From my current almost hour long session, 108 procs out of 1000= 10.8%

total of 171 procs out of 1586= 10.78184%.

I will update this post after about another half an hour then I'll be going to sleep for the night.

Edit:

Another 500 swings, 61 procs. That's 12.2%

New total is 232 out of 2086, for 11.12176%

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Festering Fingerguards have a yellow and a red socket, not just yellow.

The latest log (from this sunday) I made shows a ~3% dmg from the procc alone at heroic Jaraxxus (for the lack of another static encounter), in the rest of the instance it hovered around 2.5% - 3.5%, depending on the boss.
So it may be in fact a little lower than before (as I remember seeing percentage around ~4%), but not nearly as massive as some posts suggest...though further testing may be required to get a definite answer.

edit:
Just checked the old log from last wednesday: At Saurfang, the procc valued for 2.6% dmg (8400 dps total) in that fight, which would really hint for a reduced procc chance. May it be, that part of the nerf was reverted later last week or is it just some RNG crap...?

Let's keep adding to that swing count and see if it keeps around 11%.

Adding my data to PantheraOncas

First session
1574 hits
156 procs

Second session:
760 hits
87 procs

Total with PantheraOnca is

4420 hits
475 procs
10.747%

(I'm hit and exp capped, using only bryntroll and just white hitting).

Session I left running while I went to sleep:

2680 Hits.
299 Procs.
11.1567%

New subtotal:

7100 Hits.
774 Procs.
10.9014%

It might be confusing for someone because WFS offers crit as the passive stat, while DV offers AP. Different stats cannot be compared across the board.
E.g. raidbuffed I am at 58% crit, having ca 18% miss rate this means I am already at the (white) crit cap.
DBW (which is clearly BiS) can proc 600 crit rating - the white portion of this is already going complete to waste.
Me thinks this does dimish the value of the crit package on WFS more than a meager 6 SEP. I'm sure you agree.

And having equipped only one nonplate Item (waist), I am not the only one in such a position.

I'm not contending the notion that WFS might be better than DV/DC in a very specific BiS setup. Just saying that it has to be valued in context of your current gear. And at the moment H: DV is clearly better than H: WFS for me (and certainly many others).
BTW the proc on H: DV is about 32 AP higher than on H: WFS. This might be seen as nitpicking but when we are talking in the range of 6SEP, this does make a difference (as in further dimishing any real world difference between the two).

If you spend enough time in the spreadsheet playing around with setups and those trinkets, you will find that when in your current gear, if equiping whispering fanged skull does not put you over the crit cap, it will be slightly higher than deaths choice. Both the trinkets seem to be very close and i think it really comes down to what stats you would benefit with. When i got WFS i managed to put myself at 46% unbuffed crit, making the trinket inferior to my deaths choice. After swapping some gear around i managed to get a higher number from the sheet using WFS with my crit down at 42%. It should be obvious that when crit capped for white attacks, the value of crit greatly decreases and so with it does the WFS trinket.

What's the current working model for the interaction between the four piece bonus and the default Bloodsurge/Sudden Death procs that happen after?

For example, I have have no Bloodsurge buff up, and I proc the four piece bonus, so I end up with:

Slam -0.5 GCD
Slam -0.5 GCD

So what happens if I end up proccing the default Bloodsurge yet again before using either of the initial four piece charges?

Does the new Bloodsurge buff completely eat the four piece and I end up with one default Slam at 1.5 GCD?
Does it simply replace one charge so I end up with one Slam at -0.5 GCD and the other at the default 1.5 GCD?
Does it just refresh the duration of any left over charges?

I think the reason that so many people are confused by WFS beating DV/DC is because it is so extremely close. I do not have math here at work, but if I recall correctly the point where WFS become better than DV/DC is when your crit's SEP is at 0.885 (it is close to that number, please correct me if I'm far off)or higher and this is true for ultimate BiS. If you start modifying this list for a more realistic gear-setup it only takes a few downgrades from an ilvl 277 item to their 264 equivalent before the crit SEP drops below 0.885 and DV/DC along with DBW should be your best choice.

Some classes, however, will have WFS as in BiS in spite of this. In T9 I was fairly lucky with some drops, while I never even saw neither the heroic version of Bloodbath Belt nor Gloves of Bitter Reprisal and had to compete with 5 other plate dpsers for most of the items.

It might be worth keeping in mind when making gear choices.

Hello, in the attached version of the sheet (I didn't modify anything in it except my gear), upon switching the current chest to the badge T10 one, I get an 100+ dps increase, which I assume is a fat bug.
Cheers for the spreadsheet.
zSHARE - WarriorDPS2.601Excel07.xlsm