In-Depth Fury DPS Discussion - Page 118

ghorghor · 06/18/09, 3:17 AM

I have a bit of a Problem in choosing my Legs at this moment.

I have the 4 piece bonus, with decent hit, good expertise. now yesterday, i got Plated Legguard of Ruination.

Now i get two highly different results in Rawr 2.26 and Landsouls Spreadsheet when i break the 4 piece bonus to equip them. Even if i juggle out the expertise with some alternative gems the 4 piece bonus in the spreadsheet seems to be much to important, while in rawr 2.26 the simple fact of equipping them yields a massive dps boost.

( obviously i couldnt test them yet)

how important do you rate the 4 piece bonus ?
how low would you drop the expertise and still feel ok about it?

Speeder · 06/18/09, 4:56 AM

Originally Posted by ghorghor

I have a bit of a Problem in choosing my Legs at this moment.
....
how important do you rate the 4 piece bonus ?
how low would you drop the expertise and still feel ok about it?

check how big part of your damage is BT, then its easy to figure out 4pc boost. napkin math says its around 2-3%.

KaiserJohan · 06/18/09, 7:14 AM

I've got a question about Fury ArP.

Is it better to put yourself around 50% ArP and then get Mjolnir,

or

simply stack up ArP so it will provide a huge boost paassivly? Atm I am around 55% ArP and I havnt gemmed that much ArP nor do I have 2x Aesirs/rune egde yet. (I am arms atm but planning on going fury once I get better weps.)

I'm not sure how much passive ArP that would give me, but quite alot once I am done gearing.

Im_ · 06/18/09, 9:29 AM

Originally Posted by KaiserJohan

I've got a question about Fury ArP.

Is it better to put yourself around 50% ArP and then get Mjolnir,

or

simply stack up ArP so it will provide a huge boost paassivly? Atm I am around 55% ArP and I havnt gemmed that much ArP nor do I have 2x Aesirs/rune egde yet. (I am arms atm but planning on going fury once I get better weps.)

I'm not sure how much passive ArP that would give me, but quite alot once I am done gearing.

It's best to gear around Runestone, which gives about 54% armor pen (46% passive cap).

Croaker · 06/18/09, 2:56 PM

3.2 PTR notes:

Warriors

* Talents
o Fury
+ Armored to the Teeth: This talent now provides 1/2/3 attack power per 108 armor, up from per 180 armor.

Good to know that Blizzard is watching out for us Warriors and our complaints about clunky fury playstyle and broken HS mechanics. At least I get a free 52 attack power?

Recab · 06/18/09, 3:14 PM

A 9/20 increase in AttT is not what I was hoping for but at least we're not getting nerfed again.

On a more related note: If Blizz made Rend usable in Berserker Stance how much of a calculated increase in DPS do you think a warrior in t8 equiv would see? Unfortunately the calculator does not have a way to calculate this since it's speculation.

Machinator · 06/18/09, 3:21 PM

Originally Posted by mulinexman

So Landsoul seems not to take Execute into account at all when calculating the fury dps, although he has it in the talents and glyphs. Does this mean it's a theoretical dps loss when we change our rotation as soon as the target (let's say it's a boss) goes under 20%?
I always thought switching from the hs-ragedump to executes instead and not using any slam-procs anymore would be a dps increase.

I am pretty sure the reason his, and most any, warrior spreadsheet does not include execute because it is incredibly hard to model accurately. I believe execute is on the to-do list, but its not a suggestion that its not viable.

Barmbul · 06/18/09, 6:02 PM

They did that to try and take leather off the fury BIS list. It had nothing to do with buffing us our complaints about our class

Originally Posted by Croaker

3.2 PTR notes:

Good to know that Blizzard is watching out for us Warriors and our complaints about clunky fury playstyle and broken HS mechanics. At least I get a free 52 attack power?

Jayde · 06/18/09, 6:13 PM

Originally Posted by Barmbul

They did that to try and take leather off the fury BIS list. It had nothing to do with buffing us our complaints about our class

I'm pretty sure they did it because there's no possible way for AttT to naturally scale with new tiers of gear, since DPS stats increase at a rate of 13% per tier while armor increases at a rate of like 3% per tier.

So, basically, for the talent to continue to be relevant with its current design they have to continue to buff it on a regular basis.

Ryuzaki · 06/18/09, 9:08 PM

So right now I'm sitting at 39.05% ArP as fury, without gemming for it. I have two mixed gems for the meta, and one Expertise gem/enchant on the gloves just to get me up close to cap (REALLY bad luck on Expertise with my current gear...)

4227 AP right now, my thoughts right now are on replacing some 16 STR gems with ArP, would this be wise? People keep saying after 35%~ of ArP it's better to gem for it, but is this really true? Having a tough time deciding.

suicuique · 06/19/09, 5:46 AM

Originally Posted by Croaker

Good to know that Blizzard is watching out for us Warriors and our complaints about clunky fury playstyle and broken HS mechanics. At least I get a free 52 attack power?

Not to nitpick but it's 3*52 AP, unless you wear cloth (4680 AC to be exact).

Speeder · 06/19/09, 5:57 AM

Originally Posted by suicuique

Not to nitpick but it's 3*52 AP, unless you wear cloth (4680 AC to be exact).

Yea, let's dont whine too much, its more or less flask of endles rage fopr free

.

And I guess patch notes arent complete yet.

catch22atplay · 06/19/09, 1:55 PM

As we get gear we're starting to close the gap with other classes. With the recent change to BT this helped a little bit. With the ATtT change that helps a tiny bit as well. It's particularly nice for prot warriors. All 3 specs needed a slight boost and this looks to be a decent way to do it. But i really think they did it to make it the same as the DK talent. What's fair for one should be fair for all. Now both a DK and Warrior get 1 armor=0.0278AP. Raid buffed this is a 196ap buff for me. I applaud this change for fairness.

Graul · 06/19/09, 2:13 PM

Originally Posted by catch22atplay

As we get gear we're starting to close the gap with other classes. With the recent change to BT this helped a little bit. With the ATtT change that helps a tiny bit as well. It's particularly nice for prot warriors. All 3 specs needed a slight boost and this looks to be a decent way to do it. But i really think they did it to make it the same as the DK talent. What's fair for one should be fair for all. Now both a DK and Warrior get 1 armor=0.0278AP. Raid buffed this is a 196ap buff for me. I applaud this change for fairness.

3/5 Bladed Armor is now weaker than ATtT and also one tier higher. 5/5 breaks even. If you're comparing trees as a whole then I guess it would be considered parity, but for a talent to talent comparison ours is now better for the cost.

catch22atplay · 06/19/09, 3:14 PM

I was not comparing 1 talent point vs 1 talent point. The comparison was the talents maxed for each class. They are now even. They cannot be directly compared 1 for 1. For example; 3/3 Nerves of Cold Steel tier 2 equals 3/3 Precision tier 4 + 3/5 Dual wield specialization tier 5. 3 talent points vs 6 talent points of higher tiers. As i said they just can't be directly compared 1 for 1 currently.