If you do the swap perfectly and get a Slam! proc at the same time as the swap you can do the rend and slam at the cost of pushing BT back by 0.5s, which is still ends up being a DPS gain. if you get a 2 Slam! proc then as long as the swap was done at the proper time then there will be no BT push back. In general as long as you are not choosing to rend or slam over BT/WW when they are off cooldown it is going to be a DPS gain, even if that means pushing back BT/WW by 0.5 or 1.0 seconds.

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What macro are you using to apply rend?
/cast battle, /cast rend, /cast zerker?

If this is the case, then, in my opinion, you're hurting yourself on multiple levels. If you're stance dancing with HS qued up, you're running a big risk of rage starving yourself when you get back to zerker. Even with swing timers and things of that nature, I'd have a hard time believing that ANY good warrior could pull this off perfectly with that kind of macro.

This is what I use. You can find the original post on it a few pages back. I forget who made it, but I take no credit for it.
#showtooltip Rend
/castsequence reset=3 Battle Stance, Rend, Berserker Stance, Rend
/stopcasting

The high points: First is cast sequence. It ensures that you don't end up dancing to battle and then back to zerker without actually applying rend. Sometimes on fights the boss will move a step or two out of range just as you're going through the rend dance. If you get ranged, its possible that you can switch to battle and then back to zerker without actually hitting him. This is obviously a waste of rage, and cast sequence won't allow the macro to go past "/cast rend" until it has actually been applied.

Second, and in my opinion most importantly, is /stopcasting. This unques heroic strike, giving you a much smoother transition through the stances, and leaving you with enough rage to BT when you get back to zerker. This also means you won't be "accidentally" proccing your 4pc t10 during that transition, and that your rotation can continue unaltered once you get back into zerker.

That being said, this is all just theorycraft from a warrior who is considerably less far along in ICC than yourself, so please take it for what it is... opinion, not fact. =)

I have a problem with the normal BT>WW>BT>BTWW rotation, basically im unable to do properly, i always find that my WW is pushed back by around 0.5 seconds, i live in australia and play on around 270ms so maybe lag has something to do with it, TBH im not sure, ive spent alot of time on training dummys trying to get it down but its just impossible, iw as just wondering if there was anyone else who had experinced this or similar problems and if you found a way to deal with it.

Firstly(and somewhat off-topic),I'm not 100% but I think the rotation isn't "absolute".We sometimes intentionally "fuck up" the bt ww rotation in order to not miss a slam,so you shouldn't worry if your abilities aren't lining up perfectly.Correct me if wrong.

Secondly having "large" gaps between the spell usage is bad in general,so apart from trying to improve your latency you can try this addon : SnowfallKeyPress : WoWInterface Downloads : Action Bar Mods

Yeah, our rotation is far from perfect, at least for me it is never still as clean as what is usually posted within a couple minutes of the combat starting.

SKP is a cool AddOn but isn't really needed at all for playing a Warrior (in PvE at least, I guess it could be helpful for PvP in certain occasions). Most players have already learned to play with it coming off of key release, and if you already wait to release until the GCD is up or if you just spam it before it's up anyways, you won't gain any benefit from using it.

I think this will work:

/cast [Berserker Stance] Battle Stance;
/stopcasting
/cast [Battle Stance] Rend;
/cast [Battle Stance] Berserker Stance;
/cast [Berserker Stance] Bloodrage;

I don't know how well cast sequence reset can handle a rend dance...

Question for those who have defeated heroic 25man Blood Princes; does the damage from shadow prison warrant speccing into improved intercept in order to reduce movement time? Seems that on normal there is quite a bit of movement required from melee that could keep the stacks elevated, while improved intercept + heroic fury could drastically reduce the total movement time. I use imp. intercept for Putricide but I don't typically run 10mans and tonight will be our first attempt at this on heroic, so haven't had the opportunity to gauge the damage from shadow prison. Maybe it is trivial for the healers to handle, but I am considering respeccing for this.

If you tank Valanar and Taldaram right next to each other (which you should, because it greatly reduces the movement time for other melees) the only time where you have to move more often than 30s is on vortex. Usually Valanar casts two vortex' in his phase, so you could intercept the first one and heroic fury for the second one. Keep in mind that you can also intervene if you should have intercept cd up for whatever reason, so I don't think you have to specc imp intercept.

Am I missing something or you actually are not supposed to start the fight with rend?

When you first charge in ,both BT and WW are ready for use.(is rend higher damage per GCD than our other strikes? )

Tested it today and i can confirm it ... lol

It wasn´t 100% but something like 90+% on Sudden Death AND Bloodsurge.
Was a significant increase on my Arms DPS.

testing fury now

EDIT :

10 Bloodsurge Procs -> 10 T10-4p procs ( 100% )
10 Sudden Death Procs -> 9 T10-4p procs ( 90% )

Maybe someone can do better testing and math about how it will effect our DPS

Currently non-proc'd Slams count for around 6% of my total damage done so presuming that this change is intentional and goes live that would be around a 4.5% damage increase.

Not too shabby at all.

Going by the spreadsheet, it would be a ~5.5% DPS increase for me.

I would be very surprised if such a huge buff went live, considering Fury is already one of the top DPS specs at the moment.

I know this is not excatly the reason for you to have putten up that Worldoflogs report.

However i noticed that on that fight you had gotten only a mere 166 rage from UW, how many points were you running with at that point? Id very much like to know if it was only 1 point or 5 points

Thank you in advance

it´s with reduced GCD

It looks like the "bug" with our 4 set bonus carried over to live realms. Smacking on a test dummy for 10 minuts and every slam proc was a double slam

people did whine for weeks about how "bad" and rng the 4pc was. this might be their way of fixing it and also offsetting some of the blade storm nerf whining.

I believe more of the complaints were based around the fact that RNG on top of RNG is a terrible idea for a set bonus for the final tier set of an expansion.

Is the 4pt bonus text updated to reflect this change? Can anyone else from US realms confirm that this bug/buff is live?

Every single 4t10 proc I got was a 2 stack, with reduced GCD to 1.0s.

Implications: Raised slam damage breakdown to 13%, and allowed very minimal rend casts. Also significantly tightened BT-WW---BT pattern. Not sure to keep rend glyphed or switch to execute now for single target, since slam does more damage than execute.

Definitely a bug, as there are lots of bugs out in the game right now with other classes, so don't get your hopes up just yet.

I am not getting anything near 90% proc rates on Sudden Death when I have my 4pc on. It's more like the pre-3.3.3 20% proc rate. I wonder if you are getting such high rates because perhaps you tried out fury first and then switched to arms? I'm going to have to respec my offspec to fury to see if that triggers 90% proc rates for my sudden death when I switch back to arms.

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