In-Depth Fury DPS Discussion - Page 146

• Fogbug · 09/17/09, 4:26 PM

Originally Posted by Gustu

Was posted earlier, but not too sure about AN or Twins, would assume it wouldn't proc off twins, but did notice the top fury warrior on wmo for the twins heroic speced into enrage.

If it procs off eating a bad orb on twins that would make sense in terms of how the ability is supposed to work, I could see enrage being very worth it on that fight if you have understanding healers

Rauch · 09/17/09, 5:12 PM

Originally Posted by Fogbug

I'm actually going to put an enrage build in my secondary talent tree as an experiment tonight; if it procs off of leeching swarm/pulsing twin aura then it's worth taking over imp cleave/precision for those fights.

I'm pretty sure Blizzard has said that they don't want dots and passive raidwide damage to proc enrage, though, so if it does proc off those it's an oversight. I haven't really tried it in a long time because of that. Fury dps definitely isn't balanced with with the assumption of consistent enrage procs like Arms is, though

For Twins (25 Heroic), I think it depends on your strat. We're going with a strat that stacks the bosses on each other, so that's clearly a cleaving scenario. Although it does happen, eating opposite color orbs to try too proc enrage seems counter productive (and a potentially bad habit) to beating this fight, unless you're an orb soaker, which I think is a rare assignment for a melee class. Again, I guess it depends on your strat.

For Anub'arak (again 25 Heroic), that's where I'm a bit torn on what to do. If enrage procs on leeching swarm, I'd def consider picking it up for that 30% burn down (if/while it works). Otherwise, I don't see it being worthwhile.

In my experience, since the Execute change, I haven't seen much reason to drop the cleave spec. My single target damage is high and when we get a fight with multiple targets, it soars. That's not bad versatility since we're seeing both types of fights very often.

If enrage does proc off of those abilities then I feel Blizzard would correct that oversight promptly. I guess I'll wait for the test results before worrying about it too much.

• Fogbug · 09/17/09, 9:03 PM

Originally Posted by Fogbug

Originally Posted by Gustu

Was posted earlier, but not too sure about AN or Twins, would assume it wouldn't proc off twins, but did notice the top fury warrior on wmo for the twins heroic speced into enrage.

If it procs off eating a bad orb on twins that would make sense in terms of how the ability is supposed to work, I could see enrage being very worth it on that fight if you have understanding healers

Looking at that parse now, I don't see Gyne gaining enrage at any point during the fight. Here's his buff/debuff list: WoW Meter Online - Combatlog Replay

Yawnz · 09/17/09, 10:41 PM

Anyone tested enrage proccing off leaching swarm?

Dridmerya · 09/18/09, 2:08 AM

I have been having trouble coming up with a good rotation for my warriors fury build (i am normally a tank mind you, been that way since classic). The World of Warcraft Armory
I am having trouble breaking 1k dps unbuffed, I know it shouldn't be my gear at least I do not think it is. So can I have some examples of ideal rotations to use to maximize my dps output

ubaduck · 09/18/09, 2:30 AM

im currently using a mace mainhand axe offhand combo and am a dwarf, i have 26 expertise main hand 21 expertise offhand, im guessing that it is not worth gemming expertise to get offhand to 26 but an not sure. i tried to test it on landsouls spreadsheet but it didnt seem to recognise the main hand having the extra expertise. will i see a rise or fall in dps do you think if i gemmed expertise over strength

junkpriest · 09/18/09, 2:31 AM

Originally Posted by Dridmerya

I have been having trouble coming up with a good rotation for my warriors fury build (i am normally a tank mind you, been that way since classic). The World of Warcraft Armory
I am having trouble breaking 1k dps unbuffed, I know it shouldn't be my gear at least I do not think it is. So can I have some examples of ideal rotations to use to maximize my dps output

You're using some tank gear, are gemming and enchanting for hit despite being 3% over the yellow cap (and could take the talent for it if you needed it), skipped the talent that lowers your cooldowns, and aren't using the HS glyph. Also: two purples with one as AP, plus no helm with a meta? As for rotation help, read the thread/use the search function/take a look at the spreadsheet where it's detailed in a flowchart.

suicuique · 09/18/09, 5:15 AM

Originally Posted by ubaduck

im currently using a mace mainhand axe offhand combo and am a dwarf, i have 26 expertise main hand 21 expertise offhand, im guessing that it is not worth gemming expertise to get offhand to 26 but an not sure. i tried to test it on landsouls spreadsheet but it didnt seem to recognise the main hand having the extra expertise. will i see a rise or fall in dps do you think if i gemmed expertise over strength

Gemming expertise for the sole purpose of getting your OH to par seems like a bad idea to me. Even more so when you are already at a respectable expertise level for the OH. Don't do it.

ubaduck · 09/18/09, 11:14 AM

yeah thats what i figured, be the same as gemming for hit after 5%. thanks for the confirmation :P

Pirie · 09/18/09, 7:08 PM

Just to add some information about the Enrage question, it definately procs off of Fel lightning (25 man heroic Jaraxxus):

[20:01:10.062] Werk gains Enrage from Werk
[20:01:10.062] Lord Jaraxxus Fel Lightning Werk

[20:02:02.078] Werk gains Enrage from Werk
[20:02:02.078] Lord Jaraxxus Fel Lightning Werk

Also, landsoul mentioned Heroic Fury as a less worthwhile talent. I've been debating this myself. It seems that it could be very useful in certain situations like, intercepting after knockbacks more often (worms & icehowl), intercepting little dudes during anub, intercepting between twins when you have to switch colors (if you don't tank them together), and of course removing stuff and intercepting more during faction champions.

I've been thinking about specing into it for a while, what are others opinions?

Gravebait · 09/18/09, 8:13 PM

Originally Posted by Pirie

Also, landsoul mentioned Heroic Fury as a less worthwhile talent. I've been debating this myself. It seems that it could be very useful in certain situations like, intercepting after knockbacks more often (worms & icehowl), intercepting little dudes during anub, intercepting between twins when you have to switch colors (if you don't tank them together), and of course removing stuff and intercepting more during faction champions.

I've been thinking about specing into it for a while, what are others opinions?

In this sense I think Heroic Fury is absolutely worth the talent point. I originally picked it up while we were learning Thorim/Hodir hardmodes for the root break and if you're just watching for moments like that to use it you're going to find it lackluster. It's good for the same reason that minor speed to boots is good (which I've since dropped thanks to HF). You should try it out for yourself, but if you can learn to abuse the intercept component (similarly intervene) I think you're going to have a hard time speccing out of its utility.

landsoul · 09/18/09, 9:04 PM

Heroic Fury is less worthwhile than a point in enrage that's up quite a bit. At least that's what the context of getting free damage describes.

Kaan · 09/19/09, 4:18 PM

Heroic Fury was perfectly worth it in Ulduar, however it isn't anymore in Coliseum.

1st boss: fine, especially P3
2nd boss: you don't use it, even if you have to move from the boss, one intercept is enough
3rd boss: you would only use it to stun a mob one more time, most times
Twins: you won't use it most times, as one intercept is enough with the 30 sec. cd
Anub'arak: only in P2. P1 and P3 almost never, so it is more or less useless.

I had it specced for about 6 months and changed to 3/3 Cleave as cleave is more important now. We will see in Icecrown Citadel, however.

Spikebh · 09/21/09, 1:17 AM

Guys if I may, I'd like to ask for some advice.

I recently got a 2nd justicebringer and 2pc t9.
Unbuffed crit is 41.75, ArmorPen is a little higher, and AP ~ 5300.

My dps has not seemed to change at all compared to prior than these 2 upgrades and I'm kind of mystified.

According to the DPS spreadsheet I should be 6950ish --- though reality is that is only the case when there are plenty of cleaving opportunities. (IE Kologarn is ~ 10k)

Now I figured I should explain a bit about my spec. I use 5/5 enrage and 3/3 cleave because I solo and box things like zg-ALOT, and I do not figure they are particulary raid impacting. I suppose it can be argued that 2/2 execute and 3/3 bloodsurge would be better, however I'm a bit iffy on slam procs, as sometimes they go unused, esp if ww and bt are not on cooldown. (bt > ww > slam).

I do not have a grim'tol or runestone. I have the worst luck sometimes.

One thing I have not done is gemmed for ArP like I see a lot of people doing currently, that will probably change in 3.2.2 with the nerf.

Gold is no object here, I have plenty.... is it worth it to gem straight ArP even for a little while? The spreadsheet does show SEP of ArP as 1.2ish with my latest download, indicating that would be the thing to do. It just doesn't "feel" right, you know?

Basically I guess I am looking for any obvious problems with my setup and as to why I seem to have hit a plateau on dps despite the upgrades. I'm certainly open to gemming ArP if it is a clear good option, even if only for a week or 2 or whenever 3.2.2 comes out.

That said, I am aware I'm barely over hit the cap, and actually short some exp (after going from 8.5 legs which had a lot of exp) -- so I'm between gear on fixing that. Im open to changing the spec as needed.

Thanks

Edit: Yes, I use a lot of blue gems to make socket bonuses -- and yes, I realize this will keep me slightly off from what I could potentially be as puredps, however I do like all the extra sta

bobieo · 09/21/09, 1:39 AM

Your spec looks meh atm. You NEED 3/3 Bloodsurge. 5/5 in enrage is not the best idea either. you should put 2/2 in imp execute. Also if your missing your slams thats a big thing also. Id look into an addon called class timers. It shows the bloodsurge icon on your screen untill you use it. Also are you spaming Heroic Strike when WW and BT are on cd. If not thats a HUGE dps boost.