OH no, not this again. This was covered at least twice in this thread.

I can tell you what the general thoughts were:

- some were keeping their rotation, with dumping rage with Exe instead of HS. Smart useage applies of course.
- some were ignoring Exe completely
- some were spamming Exe

There was a strong mindset towards the normal rotation + Exe, but others disagreed.
I tried all three of those, and the one i'm doing the most DPS is normal rotation + Exe.

I guess it all comes down to what kind of rage generation you have goin on.

Even with the changes coming with 3.1, I would not even think about stance dancing during execute phase. I agree with Nyel in that I have found that keeping up normal rotation, but utilizing Execute as a rage dump has provided the best dps.

Neverthess, I meant for my earlier question:
to moreso stir the pot to get people to think about new openers.

For example, if we change our spec around a little (maybe to something like this) and add Glyph of Rending, can we open up with charge-->Rend-->zerker and improve on our overall dps? That would give us 21 seconds of rend damage with a 62% bonus (presuming that the 35% extra damage when mob/boss is over 75% health stacks with the 20% bonus from Improved Rend).

Also, given the above, would it be worthwhile to stance dance and renew our rend debuff on the mob/boss. I am guessing that the only time that his MAY be worthwhile would be when WW, Bloodthirst, and Slam proc are on cd.

I pretty much ignore execute at this point. I generally do a decent bit more damage just continuing the regular rotation rather than adding in execute. If I spike up to 80-100 rage with bt/ww on cd I'll hit it once, but that doesn't happen terribly often.

Ive gotten into a nice system where I usually pop DW/Recklessness, blow 3-4 executes, and then continue normal rotation unless, as posted above, I spike to high rage.

I substitute execute for heroic strike and try and keep to the DPS rotation as much as possible, skipping slam but hitting WW and BT when they are up then execute when above 50 rage.

I usually keep with my rotation until the boss hits about 5% health then I start to spam execute.
Thats just me though, I find it works a lot better than executing from 20% down.

My first post, I feel all special inside :P

Hey guy, awesome posts, and tbh great website i had no idea about you guys for so long. After seeing some of the folks on here though I feel like im hurting my guild lol. At any rate I been through all the replies here and I had a few more questions. I’m not doing any where near the dps you guys are reporting. I downloaded the spreadsheet and for my gear im not even close to the dps listed on the sheet. My armory link is

The World of Warcraft Armory

Ill even take remarks about my spec I do understand many others do different things but I do this halfly because of the make up of our raids.

Why is bt not as effective as whirwind, reading the post it seems like ww>bt>slam (hs on 60+rage)?

Does doing a HS affect ww or bt?

What rotation is the best, what would you start out with and why? Is there any math behind what you put off or what you delay or is it a gut feeling? I know some have covered this but I kinda would like to see the math and decisions behind it.

Taking the GC into consideration if you have a slam up, ww up in .5 secs, and a bt up in 1 sec what do you go with and why.

About the execute thing...


Am i the only one making a decision each GCD based on Weapon swing timers? Basically if mainhand swing has just landed i'll use WW/BT/Slam but if it's due soon (within 1.5 seconds) i'll execute.

Not only does whirlwind cost less rage than BT, it's average DPS is also higher.

What? You can queue a heroic strike and still BT, if that's what you mean.

You answered your own question earlier. WW>BT>Slam(On BS procs) and HS when you're at a comfortable amount of rage (60+). The reasoning is common sense. WW hits harder and has a longer CD than BT. This means, pushing back WW with a BT would cause a loss in dps.

You would WW then BT. If you still have the bloodsurge proc, then slam.

Why wouldn't you have Hysteria up while bloodlust is up? Hysteria gives 20% damage, not haste.

Also, remember the AttT calculation delay feature

thx .you are absolutly right. but 2 hysterias will be better

Hey guys. It has been a long time since I posted but
I have been reading a lot for the last few months.

Please forgive any spelling mistakes as I am writing this on an iPhone and it auto corrects in a trully evil way.

My still unanswered question is... Are there non plate pieces of gear that are an upgrade in dps on that slot from the plate best item ?

Should we be breaking 4/5 set bonus or keeping it for deep wounds?

Yes, there are several upgrades. Here some BIS examples:
chardev.org - a World of Warcraft Character Planner - x
chardev.org - a World of Warcraft Character Planner - x

The 4 Set Bonus only smoothens your rage output and since there are on most slot better non set items available my guess is that it isn't really worth keeping it.


[Edit] To clarify, the posted examples might not be the ultimate BiS but show very well how good mail & leather is.

So, i've been a prot warrior for over a year and i figured i give fury dps a shot... i've gotten most of my rotations down hit recommended hit rating for current wotlk raids and gone for some extra's but... what i can;t seem to find is the recomended amout of expertise i am supposed to have... how important is this stat now? and how much do i need? currenty as of last log i had a 19 rating... some one in chat said 26 would be alright can someone fill me in please thanks

Expertise is important, with the 2% from talents you need 18 expertise from gear

so sitting at a 19 rating means i can stop worry about geming for it?

Yes with 2/2 Prec your are sligthly over the cap, but to be honest this kind of questions normally belong to the Warrior: Simple Questions/Simple Answers thread.

thank you! I will try to experiment. Thanks for the links. Have you come up with 2 ultimate dps setups?

At the moment double Berzerking only refreshes previous Berzerking proc right?

Is it significantly worse than Berzerking / 110AP (OH) ??

Your setups seem to use a whole lot of leather, and most of it is weak on STR but crazy on AP (seems maybe overall calc is still more).

I assume you have compared the equivalent plate dominant counter setups?

No, Berzerking procs stack.

Again, this kind of discussion belongs in the simple questions/answers thread.

Also, you should definately check out Landsoul's spreadsheet, input your gear, and you'll find out what best setup is there for you.

These arent my setups (first one was done by Jips, second by Artemisia [edited links]) since i'm pretty happy with the plate gear i already wear but infact these combis have higher stats then the plate only counterpart. But these questions really belong to the thread i already mentioned.

[Edit]Shouldnt post from work when i'm in hurry :/

Stop spreading wrong information. Berserking definitely stacks.

With the flood of people asking already answered questions, perhaps this thread, or the Q&A thread should be updated with all the data in the first post. Alot of the other class threads have this. Simple info like rotation, stat ranking, enchants are easy to find, and cuts down on pop up questions from not wanting to read 20+ pages.

Yes before it gets said the search function works, very nicely sometimes, and sometimes it doesn't work at all.