My post stated that it appears to be more beneficial in the MH only, and massacre would be better in the OH

Edited because I missed the single post on this page stating the same thing as me.

Fury warriors in Tbc needed like 200-245 hit rating.

For:

White Hit
Base Miss: 28.0 %
Base Hit Rating Cap: 442
Precision 3 %
Gear: 9.5 %
Actual Miss Chance: 15.5 %
Hit Rating Needed to Cap: 245

Can some1 tell me what's the Actual hit rating needed to cap for bosses in wrath? Atm i have 560 hit rating and i dunno is it's good or not.

In my opinion is like

White Hit
Base Miss: 28.0 %
Base Hit Rating Cap: 919
Precision 3 %
Gear: 4.6 %
Actual Miss Chance: 20.4 %
Hit Rating Needed to Cap: 670

Correct me if i am wrong plz

Fury warriors only need 142 pre wrath with 0 points in precision

Currently 1% hit = 32.78998947
32.79*14 = 459.06 with 0 in precision

Your information is a little confusing to me, I see it as something more like this:

White Hit
Base Miss: 28.0%
Base Hit Rating Cap: 918.12
Precision: 3%
Gear: 11%
Actual Miss Chance: 14%
Hit Rating Needed to Cap: 459.06

If I'm reading your chart right you're trying to calculate the ADDITIONAL hit rating you need to cap out your auto attacks.

The cap you should be concerned with is the special cap, which is assumed to be 14% (recent evidence suggests it was lowered to 13%).

0/3 Precision: 459.06 Hit Rating
1/3 Precision: 426.27 Hit Rating
2/3 Precision: 393.48 Hit Rating
3/3 Precision: 360.69 Hit Rating

I've done some testing, and i'm still not sure whether using Execute -20% is even viable. I have found that hitting BT/ww/instant slam (if BT crit). Maybe a 5k execute and all of my rage, but if I hit BT (1k-3k) then ww (2k-4k) then an instant slam with bt crit, only consuming 55 rage. Any suggestions?

EDIT: Someone already did some math on BT vs. Execute. In an earlier part of thread.

I would think that any 2-combination of gloves/legs/chest would be nice. The shoulders and Helm both have ArP, which could possibly be replaced by crit or agility, however once hit capped I know the helm is nearly the best in slot item plus it has much more stam and armor than the Blue Aspect Helm. Same with the Valorous shoulder in comparison to the leather or mail. And about the 4 piece, it is really helpful in my experience because not every fight is stand still and press 3 buttons the entire time. There are so many opportunities where the 4 piece can help you.

Well i might agree on the shoulders but gloves seems like worst of the set in general, at least for me, i rather ve choosen heroic leather with +hit/crit and finaly got 25man patchwerk one now. But someone might find himself in a need for exp and that seems like only reasonable reason i guess, cuz not everyone is orc/human

Just like the previous poster said you want 361 hit rating, however you are Alliance so you want 328 with a Draenei.

If you end up not having a Draenei eat the 40 hit rating food, if you have one eat the 40 STR food.

560 hit rating is not only bad, it is terrible. For every point of hit rating after 328 you should convert it to STR so long as your crit is high enough to sustain rampage/flurry/etc. at a reasonable rate (most posters here suggest 30% crit in zerker unbuffed).

I'm kinda wondering if you guys are actually doing real comparisons instead of just pulling stuff out of your ass. I trust you're using Landsoul's spreadsheet or something else just as good to get your SEP. [Valorous Dreadnaught Shoulderplates] are 2nd best in slot, behind only [Concealment Shoulderpads], and by less than 1 str. Since it has no hit or expertise, it's best in slot when you don't consider those stats.

I've found the four piece bonus to be incredible. Once you hit the expertise mark, you can put both points in execute and you can have 5 rage executes.

What I've been trying to determine is how exactly the buff works vis a vis execute.

Does it work like improved execute, or do you just end up with 5 rage after you execute with a proc? It would make more sense for it to be added onto execute but that seems almost too good to be true.

Pardon? Bloodrage, which generates rage, consumes a proc that reduces the rage cost of your next rage-consuming ability?

The 4 piece... It's not incredible by any means, but it's not terrible and there's nothing wrong with picking it up. What other pieces are you getting other than the set since it is so bad? It helps during those 2-3 times where you get rage starved and start missing in your offhand and the proc happens to be up.

Just a nitpick, but wouldn't you get a similar but more reliable benefit from simply picking up pieces of gear that had hit on them over ArP/haste to avoid the same situation even after the specials cap? Str/Crit are predominantly the best stats, but again that's on paper where RNG is averaged out and "poor judgement" isn't factored.

You could argue that the 4 set is of similar benefit to having more hit, but you have to wait for the swing for you to be able to use that hit rating..... I'm not sure if that is the correct concept of comparison. Someone else would have to give their idea.

Yes, it currently does.

Edit: It makes sense too, the tooltip is super messed up Spirits of the Lost - Spell - World of Warcraft but it simply just says next ability, not next ability that costs rage. I think any ability may consume it.

Edit2: As I suspected, any ability consumes the buff rage cost or not.

Would be extremely simple to code it to only work on abilities that cost rage, but yeah. Had similar bugs with CC when I played a mage, most of those were fixed if I remember correctly though.

Not sure if it does, but does it give 5 rage on abilities that don't cost rage?

Was testing this with taunt and I did not see that happening.

Which makes me wonder if you really get 5 rage executes. or 10 rage executes that only cost 5 rage.

But then you have 0 rage left over. I guess not much point overly speculating on it since it obviously needs a fix.

This is kind on topic, but I was curious about the proc chance of UBW since I have way more expertise then needed and I have no gear to replace the gear I have expertise in I just decided to spec out of WM, and I specd out of Booming voice cause we have a paladin with might every raid. I have to put 2 points into UBW to get up in the tiers and I was just curious about what you guys thought would be better. Imp execute, Imp Zerk rage, AM, or just 5/5 UBW.
Thanks <3

When I tested it a long time ago (2.2 I think), it was 3 procs per minute per point, so 15 ppm for 5/5. One point in anger management would be better without question. Imp zerk rage is better rage/minute than UBW, assuming you can fit in the global cooldowns without trouble. Imp execute is a lot tougher to evaluate.

Anyway will question. Is it possible to have 8.4% miss with 320 hit rating?

That's the log from some previous post. There is only 8.4% miss on white attacks.

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