Pushing back the swing timer for 1.5 seconds as frequently as you propose would do awful things to your DPS. Your missing some things that need to happen with HS and white hits that would be lost or reduced by casting regular slams.

-The crits of the white hits keeping Flurry up
-HS proccing instant Slams
-Mobility of the Fury spec (1.5 sec casts destroy mobility)

Also, how do you figure there would be two extra GCDs available? Casting normal slams would not change it other than always having slam go off on those cool downs that are currently slated as slam/open.

I feel that sticking with HS for rage dumping is the way to go.

The armor pen cap was added in the most recent patch, after GC's post.

You don't gain more GCD, since those are slots where you would be using Bloodsurge, or are using a rotation with only 1 GCD between BT already. Technically it could be a DPS increase if you had infinite rage, but it is very small compared to using the rage to turn a MH swing into a HS which has no delay on your rotation and affects your rage gain from white less than pausing both hands for 1.5s.

So Landsoul seems not to take Execute into account at all when calculating the fury dps, although he has it in the talents and glyphs. Does this mean it's a theoretical dps loss when we change our rotation as soon as the target (let's say it's a boss) goes under 20%?
I always thought switching from the hs-ragedump to executes instead and not using any slam-procs anymore would be a dps increase.

It really depends on when you use Bloodlust. If it's up during the 20% phase and you can blow a haste potion it's probably going to be better to Execute after BT > WW (and possibly Slam) with those effects up. If you don't have Bloodlust up it relies too much on RNG to have enough rage for your next BT if you just dumped all of the rest on an Execute.

I generally just blow two Recklessness charges on an Execute and WW then go back to the standard rotation, but I'm not sure if even the two Executes were worth it.

I have a bit of a Problem in choosing my Legs at this moment.

I have the 4 piece bonus, with decent hit, good expertise. now yesterday, i got Plated Legguard of Ruination.

Now i get two highly different results in Rawr 2.26 and Landsouls Spreadsheet when i break the 4 piece bonus to equip them. Even if i juggle out the expertise with some alternative gems the 4 piece bonus in the spreadsheet seems to be much to important, while in rawr 2.26 the simple fact of equipping them yields a massive dps boost.

( obviously i couldnt test them yet)


how important do you rate the 4 piece bonus ?
how low would you drop the expertise and still feel ok about it?

I've got a question about Fury ArP.

Is it better to put yourself around 50% ArP and then get Mjolnir,

or

simply stack up ArP so it will provide a huge boost paassivly? Atm I am around 55% ArP and I havnt gemmed that much ArP nor do I have 2x Aesirs/rune egde yet. (I am arms atm but planning on going fury once I get better weps.)

I'm not sure how much passive ArP that would give me, but quite alot once I am done gearing.

It's best to gear around Runestone, which gives about 54% armor pen (46% passive cap).

3.2 PTR notes:

Good to know that Blizzard is watching out for us Warriors and our complaints about clunky fury playstyle and broken HS mechanics. At least I get a free 52 attack power?

A 9/20 increase in AttT is not what I was hoping for but at least we're not getting nerfed again.

On a more related note: If Blizz made Rend usable in Berserker Stance how much of a calculated increase in DPS do you think a warrior in t8 equiv would see? Unfortunately the calculator does not have a way to calculate this since it's speculation.

I am pretty sure the reason his, and most any, warrior spreadsheet does not include execute because it is incredibly hard to model accurately. I believe execute is on the to-do list, but its not a suggestion that its not viable.

I'm pretty sure they did it because there's no possible way for AttT to naturally scale with new tiers of gear, since DPS stats increase at a rate of 13% per tier while armor increases at a rate of like 3% per tier.

So, basically, for the talent to continue to be relevant with its current design they have to continue to buff it on a regular basis.

So right now I'm sitting at 39.05% ArP as fury, without gemming for it. I have two mixed gems for the meta, and one Expertise gem/enchant on the gloves just to get me up close to cap (REALLY bad luck on Expertise with my current gear...)

4227 AP right now, my thoughts right now are on replacing some 16 STR gems with ArP, would this be wise? People keep saying after 35%~ of ArP it's better to gem for it, but is this really true? Having a tough time deciding.

Not to nitpick but it's 3*52 AP, unless you wear cloth (4680 AC to be exact).

Yea, let's dont whine too much, its more or less flask of endles rage fopr free .

And I guess patch notes arent complete yet.

As we get gear we're starting to close the gap with other classes. With the recent change to BT this helped a little bit. With the ATtT change that helps a tiny bit as well. It's particularly nice for prot warriors. All 3 specs needed a slight boost and this looks to be a decent way to do it. But i really think they did it to make it the same as the DK talent. What's fair for one should be fair for all. Now both a DK and Warrior get 1 armor=0.0278AP. Raid buffed this is a 196ap buff for me. I applaud this change for fairness.

I was not comparing 1 talent point vs 1 talent point. The comparison was the talents maxed for each class. They are now even. They cannot be directly compared 1 for 1. For example; 3/3 Nerves of Cold Steel tier 2 equals 3/3 Precision tier 4 + 3/5 Dual wield specialization tier 5. 3 talent points vs 6 talent points of higher tiers. As i said they just can't be directly compared 1 for 1 currently.

I updated Landoul's current spreadsheet to reflect this change, and for a few pieces, it seems to have done exactly this.

For example, for my character, the spreadsheet no longer favors Guise of the Midgard Serpent over Warhelm of the Champion.

Still not even close to getting that leather belt off the list though.

They should swap Improved Execute with Weapon Mastery and change the TG nerf to special attacks only.

This would completely fix Fury DPS.

QFT!

This would buff Fury and Arms at the same time without making them overpowered.

Not to say that I don't like the idea, but I think that this would make Fury > Arms by changing that. Especially since there is nothing preventing someone to put 2 pts in Improved Execute as Arms at the moment (they can easely not put points in Blood Frenzy and have a Rogue keep Savage Combat up). So really Arms spec warriors would not be gaining much out of this deal.

Which is not really a bad thing (since I play as Fury) but I'm getting the impression, that at least for now, Blizzard wants to try to keep both specs somewhat close to being equal and viable for raiding.

I'm in a similar situation as you are, I've been plugging the numbers in Landsoul's spreadsheet over and over and it seems that I am still getting more dps from gemming STR then gemming ArP. It looks as though ArP is 2nd to STR in stats importance and I think that the goal is to end up with 100% ArP through gear and trinkets more then attaining this through gems.

But at the end of the day the best way to know is to try it out, do a run with all ArP gems and compare the run to your WWS from the week before when you had all STR gems.

Nice idea, but they did just recently move Weapons Mastery over to the Arms tree.