I just downloaded the new spreadsheet and adjusted cell E78 using the equation:
=4.69512177*((82/52)*(131/63)^((AI1-70)/10))/1.1
that I got from the spreadsheet thread for the new ArP value.

Currently sitting 79 ArP from the softcap cap w/ Mjolnir Runestone with a SEP of 0.9746 for ArP. Even after regemming I cannot get ArP's SEP to be > 1. Anyone else receiving weird/unexpected results with the new formula?

After changing cell E86 as instructed in the relevant thread and using mjolnir trinket I get the following results: Around 5.5% less arp (45.63% to 40.16%) and a first dps loss of ~164 DPS with 173 arp away from the soft cap. After regemming the three JC gems to 34 arp and 3 more 20 str gems to 20 arp as well with 11 arp away from the soft cap and a total of 51.73% I get a DPS increase of ..4. On a similar note it looks like the passive arp point we are looking for, after the nerf, is around 52.52 with mjolnir equiped.

Noticed a significant loss in rage gen in tonight's raid, did anyone else notice anything strange or did the ArP nerf just hurt that bad?

Or 56.27% with Grim Toll

I often hear of very good warriors timing their Death Wish/Recklessnes to coincide with internal cooldown trinket procs and other types of short-term buffs (Berserking comes to mind). I am really trying to eek out as much damage as I can from the limited gear I've got so I want to start micro-managing my controllable cooldowns better. I am curious what mod (if any) these warriors might be using that would give a clear visual indication of how many and which of these 'automatic' buffs are currently applied to me. I used to use NaturEnemyCastbars for this but it was not ideal and I have got to believe there is a better product out there.

Procodile works quite well for me, it also guesstimate the ICDs and keep tracks of other info about procs (it also shows the expected cooldown for procs ICDs).

To completely regem to ArP for 4 (or did you mean 0.4?) DPS on paper is certainly annoying for max/min. 400g for 4 dps =( By regemming my current gear (2pc t9-245/2pc t8) to ArP resulted in a 3 DPS loss. ArP still has the best SEP out of any stat other than STR, but if the spreadsheet is to be believed, stacking strength gems is the way to go past the hit/exp cap, at least with my gear.

ForteXcorcist is also a pretty cool addon I've been using lately to track cooldowns and buffs and it also shows ICD's of trinkets on the timeline as well.

ForteXorcist : WoWInterface Downloads : Warlock

I use TellMeWhen. I use it to provide an easy visual of how much time is left before I can next use Deathwish.
Additionally, I have it set to show icons (+ countdown timers) for Herosim, Deathwish, Potion of Speed, Slam procs, and Commanding Shout.
Very easy to customize for any buffs/procs you prefer.

*Once I see Heroism, I have a macro I hit(spam) that uses Recklessness, DeathWish, and consumes a Potion of Speed. Once I see all the icons via TellMeWhen, I can go back to my rotation.

I am not sure if syncing DW with trinkets is really more dps or not. It really depends on how long the fight is, bloodlust sync, and which procs. Most trinkets have 45s cooldown so if you have 10-15s left on the cooldown I would probably pop DW anyway as the chance that it will proc soon after the cooldown is pretty high.

Regemmed for ArP, blew about a grand, but really not liking my rage right now, according to the spread sheet its about 30 dps over gemming for str, but thinking i might just bite the bullet again and regem back to str. Has anyone gone from ArP to strength and noticed a rage change?

If you are patient enough to wait a night I just did this last night after 25man ToC as I was faced with the same frustration you are seeing. I fully regemmed back to STR after the raid and will be testing the results tonight.

I run the soft cap with Grim's Toll, but I can personally say that I did nto notice a difference in rage generation at all. Every now and than I would have to sit off HS, but nothing different from normal. Was able to pretty much spam Cleave on Twins, Anub and Jar.

Landsouls spreadsheet is the mutt nutts. The arp nerf isn't massive - it's exactly what Blizzard said it would be. A small change to stop people going mad for one stat. Apparently Strength is cool for us to do this with however. Certainly if you went arp before because it was mad DPS then now you will still put out a hefty chunk, just about the same as a fury warrior gemming for strength I feel.



I would like to point out that if heroism is popped, consuming a potion of speed is certainly a good idea, but my personal preference is Insane Strength Potion from TBC. 120 str can't be sniffed at and if timed correctly offers a very nice DPS increase. The problem I have with potion of speed is that heroism is a 30% haste increase so adding more haste to haste will improve your DPS but there comes a point when rage is infinte, and a full rage bar is a bad rage bar.

Don't forget that haste not only increase our dps but also our ability to spend our rage because you can use Heroic Strike and Cleave alot more often due to the higher attackspeed.

I noticed no significant loss in rage income with the patch, still able to 'leave a brick on' the HS button. On Twins and Anub (25 normal) last night I was able to pretty much spam cleave without holding back (13.5k dps on Twins). This is with ArP softcapped with Mjolnir, and 4T9.

Overall, the ArP nerf has probably set me back an average of 300DPS, which seems a sensible figure.



Regarding the trinket cd's, like Hellord I use Procodile to show my ICD's and it is perfect, very accurate. SatrinaBuffFrames takes care of showing me my 'short buffs', including Slam Procs. You can configure it to have multiple buff frames wherever you want, I can't recommend it highly enough since I moved from a combination of Dfilter and Tellmewhen. I briefly dabbled with ForteXorcist, but it wasn't for me. Felt like using a bandsaw where a scalpel would do.

If I remember when I get home from work, I'll put up a shot of my buff/ICD frames.

I won't know until Landsoul releases the Excel 2003 version, haven't been able to look at the spreadsheet since Patch 3.2 hit. I just go with the assumption that softcapped ArP = win and it seems to work out ok for me. Sorry I can't be more detailed.

If the difference in DPS between the 'have and the have-nots' of Mjolnir is that pronounced, they should really make this trinket, or similar, available on the vendor. I wouldn't want to farm old content to get what appears to be a must-have piece of gear (at mid to high gear levels).

Remember that your SEP will change when regemming, Arp might be at 0.98 now with your current gem setup but as Arp gets better the more you have of it, the SEP will raise higher the more arp gems you put in your gear. The only way to really know what gives the best is to import your gear to the spreadsheet, compare dps with one setup with str gems and one setup stacking arp gems.

I decided to post because I feel like the rage issue is largely being ignored. I think it really needs looking into, despite a few warriors anecdotally insisting there is no rage issue. I cannot believe the ARP nerf has caused this lack of rage income.

There are obviously a few other warriors posting in this thread they don't see the same amount of rage, and honestly after the last few nights of raiding I actually had times where without HS'ng I didn't keep WW and BT on CD, and I haven't really had that issue since early wrath gear. Fully rage buffed enhance shaman and all, this bothers me. I don't know why blizzard would have felt it necessary to change the rage equation or if it is some sort of unintended patch bug, but I do feel there is a sincere issue here that we should take a look at.

Maybe I'm way off in left field and this is all the arp nerf's doing, but it should at least be looked into.

Using SatrinaBuffFrames I have 3 seperate frames set in easy eyeline of the centre of my screen, 1 for short cd's, 1 for debuffs I have to watch (Sunder, Shattering Throw, AP debuff etc.) and 1 for my Slam! proc. Procodile is configured to only show my trinket ICD's, I'm not really interested in tracking cd's of other stuff, as these are adequately covered elsewhere, and the less spammy the better.

I tried bars (e.g. FX) but I found icons much more comfortable to work with. Could probably google some psychobabble about how the brain processes patterns and colour faster than textual information, but you get the point.

I could be risking infraction for posting a UI shot (albeit an excerpt only!) in this thread, but I hope it's taken in the vein it's intended - configuring your UI to increase dps performance in terms of lining up your buffs with trinkets/short cd's etc. Thanks to the people who pm'd me for further info!

Regardless of if its true, currently all thats been said is opinions. There needs to be some evidence (recount screens, dummy tests) before anything can be said to be changed. Without that it could just be bad luck coinciding with a patch.

I didn't notice any change in rage generation at all this week. I was spamming HS during most fights, nonstop, as always. I don't use an arp trinket, nor do I gem for arp, although I did have approx. 49% arp before the nerf, down to 44% currently. It did feel like my dps dropped very very slightly from the arp nerf, but not enough for anyone else to really notice.