myno

I am using the following macro:

The last Rend is just for not getting into Battle Stance again accidently..If you don't hit the macro again it will reset in 5 seconds

 

Statix

That's not exactly what I had in mind. Basically, if I can get the first macro to recognize rend rather than DP and have it switch to a shield (just for example) I can then have a bloodthirst macro that says "hey, you have a shield equipped, I need to rend." Then the reverse would happen and I'd continue on my normal rotation automatically.

I'm confident that it'll work, but when I tinkered with the macro before I had other issues even without modifying it.

 

Terrorfied

Question of the day:

Heroism + Haste pot or Heroism, then haste pot afterwards.

Ultimately it boils down to .5 second swings for 15 seconds and .65 (all imaginary numbers) for the remaining 15 seconds, or would you rather have .65-.75 swings for 45 seconds.

I strongly believe its better to pop both at the same time rather then scale them out, but theres the question of rage regeneration, ultimately being at 100 rage all the time makes white damage pointless (for rage), so scaling them out is more rage efficient, I dont know. Opinions?

 

Gruntle

By themselves there is really no difference between popping them at the same time or separately. If you take rage into account it's probably a little bit better to separate them since you run less risk of getting rage overflow.

But (and a big one at that), if you combine other short duration damage-boosting buffs with the haste buffs (like Deathwish, trinkets, racial) you should really use them at the same time. Deathwish/trinkets will not last the full 45 sec, so using all the cooldowns at the same time makes sure that you get the maximum amount of damage-boosted swings out. You will probably be very close to rage cap so make sure you're using HS at every swing (or close to every swing at least).

 

Furrymaker

I think the general consensus is to haste pot during lust but of course every situation is different. For example on heroic Jaraxxus we lust on one of the portals and I'll save my haste pot for another one, both timed with death wish. On heroic Twin Valks when we encounter the black shield (most dps is black) I pop my haste pot with lust to get every ounce of damage possible to make sure it goes down. You make a good point about potential wasted rage but to be honest I'm generally swimming in rage in most situations except for heavy cleave times without incoming damage and I'm still using a 232 OH.

Of course it's best to use all your CDs during lust to get more attacks while your damage is increased, so in my opinion the general rule of thumb is use your haste pot during lust to get even more attacks in while death wish, bloodfury, mjolnir, and greatness are up (at least in my case).

 

suffer

I feel quite differently about lust+haste pots. During lust, I have no problem using heroic strike on EVERY swing. That means I'm managing my rage effectively, and won't benefit (rage wise) from any added haste.

During an "execute phase" I get rage starved if I try to use execute too much. So to keep WW/BT on cooldown and throw in extra executes, I generally drink a haste pot during these times because I know I'm benefiting from the added rage.

Some exceptions are going to occur based on fights. If all you care about is maximizing your damage, then a haste pot during Twins while you have Empowered Darkness is going to increase your DPS, but not help your raid deal with something like a shield. A haste pot during the "Anub cleave phase" is probably going to help more than during an execute phase.

 

kcronin22

Hey all. I am a dual-wielding Fury warrior and am a bit confused and maybe one of you may be able to clear it up for me. I am using Recount to look at my stats after a raid. We are now running TOC 25 and when I look at my stats I find that I am missing like 12% of the time. Through gemming and enchants I have my Hit Rating at like 10.5% and my expertise at 22. I know my expertise needs to be at 26 and if I am not mistaken hit rating at 8%. But why am I still missing even though I am over on hit rating. I tried to dl the Fury DPS Spreadsheet thinking it might tell me where I am going wrong, but the link doesn't work. Am I missing something?

 

Ihmes

Highlighted the reason. Dualwield hit cap is around 24% for white melee swings, 8% for specials.

 

Statix

doh n/m

 

Smallviille

its 5% talented with 3/3 precision
and 4% talented with 3/3 precision + Draenei in the group

 

irradicator

Hey guys
The question about the Haste pots and when to use them gave me another thought. I have the trinket from 10 man TOTC nromal from the champinos called "Victors Call". when popped it grants 200 ap, which can stack five times for each melee hit and lasts 20 seconds. My quesiton is, What would be the best rotation to achieve these stacks as fast as possible? At the moment, I pop it when whirlwind is off cooldown in the hope that it gvies me two stack when used, I then pop a heroic throw and finally bloodthirst and heroic strike (or slam depending on if bloodsurge is up). Personally I find it is an alright combination, but I would like to know if anyone has an alternative?

 

benga

Hey! Long time reader.

I Finally got a hold on Grim Toll. I have about 670 ArP with no ArP gems. I regemed to get hardcap but rawr says its a dps loss and i cant rly feel a dps boost by gemming hardcap. Is it worth keeping the arp gems or should i go back to str gems to max out the dps. Using dual blade(245) and edge of agony(232)

I have checked the other pages but cant rly find a answer to my question.

 

ComMcNeil

after a little testing in the spreadsheet, gemming for ArP seems only to pay off with a pretty high lvl of gear (nearly BiS)
in my current gear, gemming for even the ArP softcap does not yield a DPS increase, in comparison to go straight STR

 

rebrebreb

Is there a definitive answer as to whether we should use execute below 20%? I tend to just stick to the usual rotation, however in saying that I'm only managing about 5k dps in 10 mans... should I be higher than this? I know that being from NZ my latency doesn't help but I feel I should be a bit higher than this..

 

Terrorfied

Execute is something you use when you dont have anything else off CD. IE, if you have BT, WW and Slam on CD (or not procd) then using execute when over 30 rage is the general concensus. Spamming it however is a dps loss if BT and WW are off CD. The modifiers for BT and Execute change with your gear, the better geared you are the better BT scales for damage, while Execute I believe is scaled slightly worse. So depending on your gear, execute spamming could be better. Compare the base dmg via tooltips.

 

ZeTodu

....execute over Slam....

 

Rauch

Only if you have points in improved Execute.

 

Kivothe

Do white dmg hits not help stack it? It does say "When you strike an opponent". This would kind of make it almost irrelevant in the order you attack, just stick to standard rotation

If so I would assume just whirlwind bloodthirst, and you should be good.

Also - If you are on multiple targets, Cleave and Whirlwind would do the trick.

 

curtifili

Hello guys long time reader, first time poster. Let me start out by stating that i have recently switched my main spec from arms to fury. Right now gear wise i have both the 245/258 deaths choice trinkets and i know they stack but since i am converting from arms do you think i should just use the heroic one and a grim toll and replace all my arp gems with strenght gems? On landsouls calculator it states i will have a dps decrease but i am not too sure with fury as having such high arp (currently sitting at 79%) and such low hit the arp seems like a waste since most of my white hits miss, should i trust the calculator or mayby gem a bit into hit since i have so much arp that it would make the white hits missing less worth while. I am top dps in my guild right now for warriors and can push 9-10k on anub and just did heroic twins with 13k dps....but i am still learning fury and am unsure if i would see a spike in dps if i switched some gems from a p to str/or hit...i always trust the calculator but it seems like for these cleave fests i should mayby gem for more hit since i am rage starved a bit(i still play arms for single target fights). Thans alot in advance and sorry for the run on sentances i'm not the best typer, my basic main question is is the 5%hit withk the extra 3% talented all i should be using for cleave fights like anub/twins or would i bennefit by replacing some gems with hit gems even though it says a dps loss on the calculator?

Ps: i know my spec is wierd and i know unbridled sucks but i dont do the comandshouting in my guild, and the two points in enrage over the two points in execute is simply something i am trying out...though im sure most will say the exicute is a better spot for those talents.

 

heimdar

Anyone has tried heroism + wild magic pot? I'm thinking at single-target combat could be better than Haste...

 

Tps

Thats def a good idea and something to think about depending on the fight. For most situations now I pop an Indestructable pot seconds before the boss pull and then I am able to pop another mid-fight before Heroism/Lust. The extra AP from armor over a 3:30- 4:00 minute duration seems to outweigh the benefits of 15 second haste or crit but I can't be sure, I'm only going on instinct.

 

CraghackMCS

Is it better to stop HS spam to keep more rage for execute when WW/BT are on CD, and Bloodsurge isn't procd?

I currently stop HS spam, switch to execute as a rage dump, and use HS to prevent against rage overflow. I'm not entirely sure if this is correct since I am losing several bloodsurge procs and dps from HS by doing so.

 

suffer

I believe Haste pots still come out on top. If you take a look at the SEP values on Landsoul's spreadsheet, even with haste only representing maybe .7-.8 that of crit, the sheer amount the haste pot gives over a wild magic pot makes it the pot of choice.

I haven't looked at arms numbers though. I know arms doesn't get the benefit fury does when it comes to haste but this is of course THE fury thread.

 

sirhch

I was wonder if any warriors use a macro for twins. I was wondering if you shield wall through the vortex if you will live? Is there a macro I can use while in fury stance that will switch me to DEF equip a shield and cast shield wall? Not sure if it will help but any times save running to switch colors is more DPS for me.

 

Ablimoth

Are you serious? Stand on the edge of the hit box close to the opposite color and Intercept back. You'll lose more DPS by swapping to Defensive Stance and equipping a shield than by taking a half a dozen steps (you should also Heroic Throw while you're out of melee range).