sirhch

Are you doing twins on hard mode 25 yet? Whats your best strat for it so far?

 

Ablimoth

Without external buffs, the Potion of Speed comes out well in front. If we add 30% haste (for Bloodlust) the value of crit is increased for the duration of the 'Lust.

I don't have access to the spreadsheet at the moment, but I would imagine the best method to test this would be to add a static 984 Haste rating (30% haste) to the spreadsheet, turn off Bloodlust in the options and determine whether 200*[Crit SEP] is greater than 500*[Haste SEP]. The Haste SEP should be done at normal (non-additional 984) Haste values and, if I understand how the spreadsheet models Bloodlust, without that option triggered.

 

ziggys

You can use this Macro. You will need to hit it 3 times.

I've use the macro to reduce the damage of the Twin damage during hardmode fight.

/cast [Stance 1/3] Defensive Stance
/equipslot 17 Sheild
/cast Shield Wall
/equipslot 16 Main hand
/equipslot 17 off hand weapon
/cast [stance 2/3] Berserker Stance

 

Ablimoth

As soon as you unequip the shield, the buff is removed. To maintain the 60% damage reduction, you will need to keep your shield equipped.

EDIT: Bugged & can be done with the Titans Grip talent. I was Arms until recently.

 

Kylael

This hasn't been true for a while. You do keep Shield Wall and it does function for the full buration of the buff, even after switching back to Berserker and removing your shield.

 

• Haphnet

This is demonstrably false. Removal of your shield removes the Shield Wall buff. You can very easily test it yourself if you're unsure.

 

ZeTodu

Nope - the "buff" stays for full duration - even in bersercer stance and no shield - we use door tactic for hard twins and i use 2 macros to decrease incoming dmg on vortex....

 

Peporro

If you have titans greep talent there is a bug that you can use sw and swap to berserker stance, to equip your both weapons and you wont loose the damage reduction from sw; If you play arms you cant do that.

 

Oondasta

Afternoon people, long-story short i'm an Arms warrior who would like to try fury, On the dummies i'm at round 3.9 as fury 255 main 232 OH. And as arms i'm 4.2 or more, I am mainly ArP gemmed because i'm arms, do you gents think a complete regem would yeild better (e.g 300dps) results? Or am i just better at playing arms? Sorry if this is a hand hold post, if this was too short i'd be happy to explain more in detail, first ever post
Any help would be great, Keep up the good work!

 

Furrymaker

The dummies are a poor representation of what your raid dps would be, fury scales much much better with raid buffs. On the dummy you won't be able to heroic strike too often while in a raid you'll be using it on near every auto. But you'd know this if went back and read some previous pages, I believe it's been talked about a couple times in this very thread already.

 

Oondasta

Thanks very much for answering, yes my fury knowledge is limited compated to arms, and i'll check "all" the other pages before posting in future, i only went back about 10pages or something

 

starlon

One thing that really helped me was purchasing a "slim" keyboard, one where the F-keys are directly above and touching the numeric keys, much like what you'll find on many laptop keyboards. I use a Kensington slim. A search on Newegg for those two terms should bring one or two up.

 

Ariseundead

I will make this brief, my friend can't access this site because of his job but he is having trouble figuring out when to switch to fury for more dps as oppsed to arms I assume. Also does fury do more dps than arms, I don't really check him out since he is a warior but I will link his armory to check out.

Armory Lite - The WoW Armory Alternative: Weppon of Nazgrel

I apologize for coming over to the warrior side, I will now head back to my DK side. LOL.

 

Endeav

Silly question, but does anyone have a working macro that will equip two dual blades/justice bringers? Used to be able to do this with dual betrayers but I can't seem to find a working one now in 3.2.

 

BWarner

This is only possible through two means: One, use a macro that equips whatever is in bag slot X to a specific hand (a royal pain to make sure that you always always always keep your weapons in specific slots in your bags), or two, use a mod like Outfitter that uniquely identifies specific pieces of gear (BoH A and BoH B, internally).

The Warrior Formerly Known as Aerowyn.

 

Tizzlewump

Use Blizzard's gear manager. You can make a set of gear with only the two weapon slots active. You save it with a name and an icon. You can either drag the icon onto your action bars for a key bind, or you can make a macro with the command

/equipset DualJustice

where you obviously use the name you gave the set. Outfitter and Itemrack used to be finicky about my warrior's weapons, but Blizzard's manager has been 100% reliable for me.

[edit] As a test of just how robust this is, you can buy two identical white weapons and make a set to dual wield them. Next swap the 2 weapons on your paper doll (without changing the saved set). Apply an enchant or weapon buff to either of them. If you /equipset the weapons, the gear manager will swap them back. The client now understands twin weapons perfectly; only legacy macro commands and addons are confused.

 

Anik

Use item numbers. Here's my macro that swaps between my 2 Dual Blades and my shield.

/equipslot 16 item:47446
/equipslot 17 item:47285
/equipslot 17 The Boreal Guard

use wowhead to get the #

 

BWarner

The question is for two IDENTICAL weapons (both 258 Justicebringers, or both 245 Justicebringers, not one of each). Since they both have the same item number, the client tries to equip Justicebringer A in slot 16, and then again in slot 17, instead of equipping Justicebringer A in slot 16, and Justicebringer B in slot 17.

The Warrior Formerly Known as Aerowyn.

 

greenburstexplorer

While we're on the subject of twins hard-mode, is anyone else finding spamming cleave instead of heroic strike to be lackluster DPS? I'm using a slightly different spec for this fight with 5/5 enrage (so instead of any free orbs just blowing me up, they blow me up AND hopefully grant me a damage bonus) and 3/3 imp cleave by dropping rampage (we have a druid main tank) and some other point somewhere. However, I'm still fighting to keep my head above 10k DPS using either heroic strike or cleave. It really doesn't seem to make a huge impact based on whichever I choose to use.

The pro's of using cleave are basically (obviously) the 50% cleave damage, and the (alleged) fact that flurry can proc off either target. The pro's of using heroic strike are the extra slam procs, and the extra 5% crit I gain from the 4 set bonus. In my brain cleave certainly seems to be the winner, but live results certainly don't seem to agree. Anyone else experiencing something similar?

 

Gilenrai

You are completely forgetting about glyphs, the extra rage granted from heroic strike is quite nice.

What glyphs do you use greenburstexplorer?

 

BWarner

However, rage is hardly an issue in regards to H Twins, especially as Fury.

The Warrior Formerly Known as Aerowyn.

 

Kurg

Cleave is my top damaging ability on Twins by a considerable margin, usually 30-35%. Rage isn't an issue at all...I actually can't queue cleave up fast enough.

We use the doorway strategy so I never get hit my orbs and can't comment on the utility of an enrage spec for the fight, but considering the amount of incoming rage I can't imagine HS beating cleave for overall damage no matter what strategy your guild uses.

 

dimepapiz

what minor glyphs are you guys using for fury?

 

Furrymaker

I absolutely cleave in place of every auto on twins and my numbers are very strong with cleave generally accounting for about 34% of my damage. On that fight I swap out my heroic strike glyph for glyph of sunder to keep them both debuffed to get the most out of my cleaves. You lose nothing doing this since glyph of heroic strike and glyph of cleave are both useless here. I strongly recommend using glyph of sunder for any of you as unlucky as me when it comes to having a warrior tank to do it for you.

 

Kurg

Good idea.

What are everyone's thoughts on switching out glyph of HS for glyph of sunder on Anub? There isn't that much time on Anub in phase one before the burrowers arrive, so at best HS gets used for 20-30 seconds before HS gets dropped for cleave. Seems to me the extra sunders on an additional target would speed up the add deaths considerably and would be worth the loss of extra rage on those HS's.