My experience is the same. Razorscale is by far the best fight (altho pulling aggro can be an issue) and Kologarn is awesome too. But when I'm single targeting DPSing for a whole boss I'm not getting higher than 5th unless somebody has an off fight or dies or something.

So I have read this a few times, but I am not sure when the best time to slam is. I run with quartz as my swing timer and played arms in tbc where slam was right after a melee hit. Currently I am fury due to comfort and I usually hit 4k around. I really want to go fury and know rend>op>sdexecute>ms>slam>hs(75 rage or higher). However I heard that slam was changed from resetting the timer, but I am not sure this is true. I have jawbone, death's bite and armageddon, but with recent ArP buffs I run with jawbone when I am arms.

Any tips to work with would be great, I'd really love it and thanks for help in advance. I am a bit nubbish when it comes to arms.

Slam no longer resets the swing timer but it delays the next auto attack by .5 seconds. Slam should be used to fill any global CD where SD, MS, and OP are on CD and rend is currently up.

So I should spam slam when nothing else is up? Simular to HS for fury?

Today in Ulduar 10 I did 4.3k dps on razorscale with 40arp food, flask, kings, non imp battle shout, and WF totem (no sunders or FF)(Using Sweeping Strikes on adds but saving lolstorm for when razorscale was down) as well as 6.2k DPS on XT with zero friendly fire and only 51,000 dmg (2.7%) from adds (I had to kill some cause a ranged died /fail). Also on the 2-3 attempts we did before the XT kill while teaching the new guy I was doing very similar dps. I total'd almost 27% of the damage.

Although I didn't try this fight as fury today as well I am fairly sure that I wouldn't of been this successful. I honestly believe that if you are very good at gear itemization you should roll arms and get some ArP.

Hello, what sort of amount of armor pen should you get before it outshines gemming str. I have about 200 ArP but it does not seem to be that effective. Thanks

Hey, some warrior in org the other day was trying to convince me that haste effects global cooldown... is it true?
thanks for the help

Haste reduces the GCD, but not for Warriors or any other melee class/spec. It only reduces the GCD of real spells like Fireball, Greater Heal etc.

First post in the Spreadsheet thread states what are the best in slot items. Besides that, poleaxe>mace>sword. So for PvE lotrafen is the best arms weapon only topped by the pvp weapons

Hey, a 239 for us as well. The World of Warcraft Armory

Man, do I wish it had Lotrafen's green stats and slower speed. To the arenas, still?

Yes

I think the work part is the main reason people play arms.
Fury is simply too damn boring, arms is more of a challenge(yeah..).
If not for that it's a very fun thing to say when people ask about your
raid-specc and you simply answer:
"-Arms."

Yes, glyph of MS would definately be better than a glyph of cleaving.

10%+ dmg to one of your main abilities or
+1 target to your rage dump on occasional bossfights.

Think that says enough.

Personally for me, sometimes the tank with runspeed simply will run faster than me on a tank such as general. I can step back, charge, but i usually de-sync out of melee range. There are similar fights (cant think of them off the top of my head) that have this same issue. I als prefer runspeed for situations where intervene is not a good option and I have to get away from something, such as mines during shock blast.

Also, a bit random, but I am trying some weird arms build while picking up 3/3 improved thunderclap. On fights where there are are 4-5 adds, and I do not have sweeping strikes or bladestorm up, I have been getting 3-4k throttled thunderclaps. With 30% more damage, less rage, and a quicker cooldown, it seems that it may be situationally useful.

I suppose I could go through the last page and a half and directly mock all of you who are speccing Incite/Imp Clap/Imp Cleave/Cleave Glyph but instead I'm going to do it all in one lump sum:

Y'all retarded.


I think I may just shit heap half the posts in here. Stop asking ridiculously stupid questions.

For those who asked, yes I am working on my guide. Just listening in on other opinions with Armor pen vs mace/axe spec vs Voldrethar etc. as well as my own testing. It just needs a few touch ups.

Another addition for the guide I would like opinions & facts on is PvP Arms. Is ArP stacking worthless with the amount of cloth we're up against? How much crit should we look for to help negate the resilience on the furious gear? or just Str all the way?

Clearly axe spec is the way to go here. I feel ArP is lost.

I would avoid it solely due to the fact that with the heroism haste buff I can put in more HS in my normal "cycle"

You might get one extra white swing during a Bladestorm with Heroism up depending on the timing. I wouldn't say it's so significant as to actively avoid using it during this period.

Axe spec+ArP seems fine to me, once you get an ArP Sep greater than 1 (somewhere between 400-450 ArP rating according to spreadsheet)

But yeah, axe spec is really unquestionable. I can't get more dps from spreadsheet using any mace+mace spec vs BoH+axe spec even though i add any amount of ArP rating in phoney stats.

AFAIK Bloodlust/Heroism reduces the GCD of ret pallies as well--may be an oversight but I'm almost positive this is the case. Perhaps it's the same for enh. shaman as well, though I've never played one.

I may be wrong but I certainly felt a difference when I pugged my ret pally through Naxx the other day.

I consider myself medium-gear level and I do not have the T7.5 head, either 10/25 Maly quest neck or the Maly boots for the higher quality ArP gear. Had a leave of absence after a month of WotLK. I looked through some of the numbers from the brief testing that Uglygreen and Paradosi posted. I wanted to see where I stood personally and what I could do to improve in gear or rotation.

Well I want to add a couple of things to the discussion. First item is related to gear. You can armory me and see that re-gemming and re-using other optional ArP items I managed to get my gear based ArP to 30% roughly. I saw my own DPS on the test dummies hit the ~3400 mark but more substantially it made a difference of about ~2K versus myself as Fury in our Ulduar raids. That has convinced me to stay on this path and I hope it gives others reason to try Arms build at least.
Second item I wanted to mention was rotation use and abilities used. I had to untrain myself from using HS as a rage dump which I am used to doing from Protection and Fury specs. One can pretty much see in the comments above that as long as Bladestorm is on cooldown and Rend is up when it is supposed to be; you really do not need to worry too much. The proc allowed OP and Executes as well as MS and Slam can be squeezed in on the move. Even on fights like Hodir where you constantly have to move I was able to do the button mash without sweating out the exact ordering per GCD. I wanted to put that example up for those that worry about movement fights vs the perceived greater mobility of a Fury build.

Tremulant thank you for the specific tips on Mimiron with Arms build. I am still adapting and that is the fight we got to last night.

Would you guys recommend my regemming a few of my crit hybrid gems into armor pen/stamina given that my crit is a little below the typically recommended 35%? My armory is correct right now except for the goggles, which I wear when questing to see the nodes and move a tad faster, and the Kirin Tor ring which I apparently used and logged out wearing. My crit is generally around 34.something %.