damagedgoods

I logged off after pvping so yes i had pvp gear on. changed.

 

Tengarez

That explains alot, thanks. Is there a particular number of armor pen I should reach before dropping grim toll or mjollnir then? Assuming the cap is fairly impossible to hit currently. Or is there a particular % in armor pen that makes other trinkets better then them?

Thanks

Druids can keep it up in the rotation or if you have trauma they can shred instead and do more damage.

 

Eregond

This is correct. If you have a tanking feral and can guarantee you're always hitting his tanking target, Trauma loses value. Mangle is still single target so Trauma never loses all its benefits, but it's a candidate for speccing out of.

 

Eleazer

Hi first time poster, but long time reader here. I have noticed that using OP before MS or execute seems to yield higher dps due to the lower GCD. I'm not really solid on my math for this, but for example lets say that MS is ready to go at the same time i get a TfB proc. It seems to me like it's a lot more efficient to use OP first and use MS very quickly afterward to take advantage of the lower GCD from OP. I have noticed a dps increase since I started using OP first in my rotation. I don't have any fancy math or stats to back this up with, but I would like to know if anyone else has done the math to confirm or prove this wrong thanks.

 

PsyWulf

Actually this is a bit inaccurate

OP procs from tfb once every 6 secs like clockwork ( assuming precise refreshes when it drops off ) triggering Taste for Blood - Spell - World of Warcraft .Buff stays alive 9secs and can only trigger once every 6secs

You mention lower GCD,however our gcd speeds aren't affected by haste or any other effects,unless u meant it's own CD,at which point i'll have u look above. Talented into UA yields a 1sec CD OP,only way you'd have a lower "cd" is if an attack were dodged/parried whilst you landed your MS ( white hit perhaps? ) triggering a regular overpower that doesn't share the 6sec tfb timer.

The concensus (dependant on gear) is to blow SD procs always,keep MS off CD ( its a fixed guaranteed CD ),then blow tfb procs as you have 5 secs excluding your gcds to land it before the next tfb ticks


You'd be better served with the EOV bracers with a bit more expertise and less hit if this is the case as you are at 11% Hit and only 5.5% Expertise

*Edit - Early morning spelling is atrocious

 

Tankietka

Actually consensus is that with 2/2 UA GCD after using OP is in fact 1s, no matter what ability you use after OP.

 

PsyWulf

Never considered the .5sec shave to matter that much when after SD/MS/OP we're left with a few secs of pure mindnumbing wait spamming rage dumps >.>

 

Phoenix

Eleazer - you get the benefit of the shorter GCD whether you slam, SD or MS after a OP. Whichever way you cut it your always getting a 1 sec GCD in your rotation somewhere as you always OP once per rotation...so your logic doesn't bear out.

The DPS increase your seeing is probably either a placebo effect (you've got gear upgrades and your attributing the increase to this) or simply by paying more attention to your rotation your playing better.

 

gill_bates

So I've seen that Arms is a lot less button mashing as compared to fury .. which is freakin great for my XPS laptop :P .
Now that I am getting used to the rotation, does anyone have any thoughts on Spec-Dancing in Instances.

Are there particular bosses they find are more suitable to Fury or Arms ? ( Naxx25 or Ulduar )

I also came across a decent addon, StronArms, StrongArms - Addons - Curse
to help keep an eye on my rotation. I guess as i get used to it, it will become more intuitive, just thought id share

 

hellord

I'm sorry but arms uses every gcd while fury has few spare for each rotation, so unless you are doing something wrong you shouldn't see this difference.

ArP Whore

 

gill_bates

Well, im not spamming BT - WW, but I am now carefully choosing attacks based on their potential to dps .. this to me is "a lot less button mashing" .
ty for the critique - pointless as it was :P

So what about spec-dancing ? any thoughts on that?

 

Speeder

As mentioned already in warrior topics some fights favor fury, some arms, what thoughts do you except?

peace MK

 

Mordenthal

I tried to search the thread to no avail.

<20% execute spam or stick to the regular rotation? I tried to compare recount results but they're not giving me much.
And does the answer change if you have 2/2 Imp. Execute?

 

amethyst

What mods do you guys all use for tracking buffs (sudden death / Taste for Blood procs) and target debuffs (rend and occasionally sunder if non-warrior tank)?

I started out using quartz timers, then moved to using custom ElkBuffbars, but still haven't settled on anything that feels just right.

I'm currently considering taking the basic framework of mods like Shock and Awe / Squawk and Awe and using it to create an Arms warrior version.

Thoughts? Waste of time, or useful?

 

ashopedies

I found Auracle pretty good working for (De)Buff monitoring.

I set it up to track TfB, SD and rend as well as BS/CS. The cool thing: You can display similar buffs in the same icon. So if I'm buffed with BoM, Auracle will light that icon up in the BS frame and I can cast CS if it's greyed out. I also use it to watch important tank debuffs (Demo, TC, Sunder) from warriors as well as other tanking classes and some other raid debuffs.

Shields Up! - Resto Shaman Blog

 

impzor

Anyone arms specced experienced low dps on heart phase only at XT-002 hc mode? Cause my dps at heart phase was way lower than our fury warrior (and only during heart phase)

 

Blackburn

Death Wish + other cooldowns? If you're using Bloodlust during heart phase that will also amplify the difference, as Fury gains more from haste effects than Arms.

 

Kysimir

If you're arms and have death wish; you're doing it wrong, and since I've never been able to hit recklessness and not lose DPS, I'd have to agree... in CD dump scenarios, fury could pull ahead of Arms.

@ Impzor -- define "low" DPS? Are we talking 5k or 8k...? Are you Rending first? Are there sunders up? Shattering throw? Are you queuing HS after everything?

<20% the rotation that I use is:

Rend > Overpower > Execute

I typically see a DPS increase.

 

Kysimir

((Due to subject change; new post to ease reading))

Here is my current build.

Here is the Theory Crafting Built.


My build is set in such a way because I currently have 27 expertise, and my "BiS build" will have expertise capped, and we have a druid tank... so neither weapon mastery nor trauma benefit me. In addition, I almost never use shouts, Imp Might and another warrior. So that left me with my current build.

However, in addition to sundering when the other warrior is not present, I realize that it might behoove us to have improved demoralizing shout... however, I cant seem to find the rough guesstimate of the AP on bosses. Is (410 + 40%) 574 attack power reduction going to be worth using as a DPS? Or, more accurately 168 attack power (over the druids' debuff) going to knock the incoming swings down noticeably? Are we talking 20k hit reduced to 19.750 or 20k to 18k?

 

Healranktwo

Juggernaut nerf, arms..."buff" (if you can even call it that) next patch.

* Blood Frenzy: This talent now provides 5/10% haste instead of 3/6%.
* Juggernaut: This talent now also increases the cooldown on Charge by 5 seconds.

 

Thairne

About as disappointing as it can get.
Yet another drawback to an itself good talent... Being actually able to MOVE couldn´t be had
The Blood Frenzy "buff" comes about to be a 128 Haste Rating Buff... Which in non-hardmode-BiS equals roughly 70 DPS in the spreadsheet. With optimal conditions. I didn´t expect it to be "25%", but this is barely a 1-2% DPS increase.

 

Speeder

Buff is very small, but my gut feeling tells me that they will buff us by nerfing others in 3.2 (DK, I'm looking at your AOE)

peace MK

 

amethyst

Yeah, about 1% it seems.

6% haste up to 10% haste is (roughly) an extra 4% haste. With about 20% of damage from melee hits, that's an extra 0.8% dps. A little bit more rage generated too, so call it 1% overall?

The main thing is, for Blizz to be making such a small tweak means that they are fairly happy with the current dps output of arms spec.

As Speeder said above, I think further adjustments in rankings will need to come from changes (nerfs) to other classes, rather than improvements to our dps.

 

impzor

well it was ~340k dmg over heart phase while our fury was pushing ~450k.
Rotation was rend, shat throw, ms+hs, op+hs, sd+hs and so on

 

Phoenix

For short DPS bursts (anything under a minute and a half I guess) fury will beat arms, I presume due to heroism being better for fury and deathwish. I usually play arms, my classmate usually plays fury and its pretty easy to observe - i'm higher on most fights but if you just isolate short 'burn' sections like heart phases or Steelbreaker in hard mode hes above me.