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Old 04/17/09, 11:52 AM   #736
Charlemayne
Glass Joe
 
Tauren Warrior
 
Gorefiend
Elkano's buffbars can handle the debuff showing you're looking for. Just set up a custom group for your debuffs.

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Old 04/17/09, 11:59 AM   #737
Pixen
Piston Honda
 
Gnome Warrior
 
Dragonmaw
Originally Posted by Lamprey View Post
On the Arms rotation what takes priority between Slam and Heroic strike?

If MS is on CD and no SD proc and no overpower up are people doing HS if a white hit is coming up or should I always be hitting slam? Right now HS and Slam are making up a very small amount of my damage as I seem very cooldown starved.
As far as I know, you should only be using HS if you are drowning in rage - i.e, if your next white swing is going to take you over 100 rage. Slam fills every GCD that isn't filled by something else, and can replace MS in low rage situations.

Originally Posted by Bula View Post
"They were bad, stop trying to figure out why bad players do bad things."

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Old 04/17/09, 5:15 PM   #738
Gorrog666
Von Kaiser
 
Orc Warrior
 
Dalvengyr (EU)
Originally Posted by Systema Sephirothicum View Post
After running around with ArP regemmed gear I noticed a decent increase as arms DPS.Nonetheless,with ArP beeing on 0,81 of value instead of 1,251,do you guys still think ArP,in its current state,is as worth as a stat to choose instead of streangh?The test was made on raid enviroment,specificaly on Emalon,and results were about 100dps more that the str gems.Any thoughts?

If you consider that Blizzard might fix ArP in the near future ArP will definetly be the Stat #1. I also regemmed for ArP today reaching 48.39% with ArP buff-food. I have to say the increase was about 300-400 dps and not too bad but you have to consider that once you have more STR with Ulduar equip you'll be able to see a greater dps increase. Alone the fact that ArP is bugged at the moment and you still do more damage with ArP should be convincing enough to go all the way for ArP. I also used Jawbone today and when you also consider the dps difference on the weapon compared to Betrayer then with superior Ulduar Weapons you should even be able to see a greater difference to axe spec.

EDIT: Something on the side, when you gem for ArP get used to big crits.

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Old 04/17/09, 5:46 PM   #739
livius
Glass Joe
 
Human Warrior
 
Dethecus
Originally Posted by ArmsWarriorFTW View Post
Is anyone else having problems with addons. Specifically quartz seems to be real screwy. Prior to the patch i was able to have a view of my debuffs on my target, i.e rend sunder, trauma, etc. Now for some reason it is showing every debuff on the target not just mine. Which creates a huge distraction in the middle of the screen. Does anyone have an addon that would solve this problem? I liked quartz alot b4. It really shouldnt be so hard to just have a visual of my rend, DW, trauma.
Blizzard made a stealth change to the API call UnitBuff(). It used to return isMine as a boolean (true/false). Now it returns the person who cast the buff/debuff. Just open up Quartz_Buff and change any place that says
if(isMine)
to
if(isMine=="player")
. Alternately, I made those fixes and you can just download it: Quartz_Buff.rar

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Old 04/17/09, 6:55 PM   #740
Sajakain
Glass Joe
 
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Worgen Warrior
 
Fenris
Random post I know, and for that I apologize. I just wanted to clear up some things. I think my DPS is a bit too low, or maybe I'm wrong, not totally sure.

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Damage: 1483 - 1807
Power: 3269
Hit Rating: 297
Crit Chance: 37.16%
Expertise: 20

Spec: 54/17
Major Glyphs: Execution, Rending, Mortal Strike
Minor Glyphs: Bloodrage, Battle

=========

Since 3.1, obviously I have went from Fury to Arms. The testing I've done is on the Heroic Training Dummy (The boss dummy). Here is the following points I have kept in mind while putting out a 10 minute fight. (Listed in order of importance in my opinion).

- Rend Is Kept Up (Refreshed if dropped)
- Procs:
-- Execute
-- Overpower
- Bladestorm (Always with Trinket)
- Mortal Strike
- Slam
- Heroic Strike (As a rage dump only)

With this in mind, I'm pulling around 2400 - 2500 DPS. The only buff that I apply to myself is Battle Shout. Anything else comes from the battle. (I.E., no food buffs, no elixirs, etc..)

Is this normal? Low? Average? I feel it's kinda low. Any tips / suggestions would be appreciated.

- Sajakain

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Old 04/17/09, 7:01 PM   #741
Nuclearjke
Glass Joe
 
Human Warrior
 
Страж Смерти (EU)
1handers execute spamming since 20%.
How's it know?
Since i wasnt playing on my warrior for a long time, have only fury weapons, couldn't test it yet.

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Old 04/17/09, 9:37 PM   #742
apamberk
Glass Joe
 
Orc Warrior
 
Caelestrasz
Just a quick question i have been switch out ap/stam and some strength gems for arp gem sitting on 147 arp rating (11.94%) + 15% from mace spec. So do i combined that to be 26.94% arp and how much more do i need.

My crit is down a bit from regemming and switch items out and i think i am pretty sweet with expertise and hit any advice is much appreciated.

Armory link below
The World of Warcraft Armory

Lastly what is the best enchant I can have on either Jawbone or Evitables defeat i know i am probably gimping myself atm with +85ap enchant been tank spec for a bit so just catching up on dps spec'ing again.

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Old 04/17/09, 11:52 PM   #743
Rakhar
Glass Joe
 
Tauren Warrior
 
Aggramar
Long time reader, first time poster. I shelved my warrior a month or so before 3.1 went live, and I've been trying to read up on Arms PvE atm, and there seems to be some controversy over to gem for ArP or STR.

So far my character has 974 base STR with 172 ArP.

Armory page is here

Basically my question is this:
At what point should I regem completely for ArP? I've read that ArP is a DPS gain at which point STR suffers from diminishing returns... I'm just trying to get a vague idea of where that line is, so I know when to regem.

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Old 04/18/09, 12:17 AM   #744
Nimchip
Glass Joe
 
Human Warrior
 
Black Dragonflight
Originally Posted by apamberk View Post
Just a quick question i have been switch out ap/stam and some strength gems for arp gem sitting on 147 arp rating (11.94%) + 15% from mace spec. So do i combined that to be 26.94% arp and how much more do i need.

My crit is down a bit from regemming and switch items out and i think i am pretty sweet with expertise and hit any advice is much appreciated.

Armory link below
The World of Warcraft Armory

Lastly what is the best enchant I can have on either Jawbone or Evitables defeat i know i am probably gimping myself atm with +85ap enchant been tank spec for a bit so just catching up on dps spec'ing again.
Pretty sure its still berserking

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Old 04/18/09, 1:43 AM   #745
uglygreenguy
Glass Joe
 
Orc Warrior
 
Lethon
Originally Posted by Sajakain View Post
Random post I know, and for that I apologize. I just wanted to clear up some things. I think my DPS is a bit too low, or maybe I'm wrong, not totally sure.

=========

Damage: 1483 - 1807
Power: 3269
Hit Rating: 297
Crit Chance: 37.16%
Expertise: 20

Spec: 54/17
Major Glyphs: Execution, Rending, Mortal Strike
Minor Glyphs: Bloodrage, Battle

=========

Since 3.1, obviously I have went from Fury to Arms. The testing I've done is on the Heroic Training Dummy (The boss dummy). Here is the following points I have kept in mind while putting out a 10 minute fight. (Listed in order of importance in my opinion).

- Rend Is Kept Up (Refreshed if dropped)
- Procs:
-- Execute
-- Overpower
- Bladestorm (Always with Trinket)
- Mortal Strike
- Slam
- Heroic Strike (As a rage dump only)

With this in mind, I'm pulling around 2400 - 2500 DPS. The only buff that I apply to myself is Battle Shout. Anything else comes from the battle. (I.E., no food buffs, no elixirs, etc..)

Is this normal? Low? Average? I feel it's kinda low. Any tips / suggestions would be appreciated.

- Sajakain


I have a similar question that may also help answer your question

Dmg 1457-1751
AP 3379
ArP 453 (36.78%)
Hit 270
Crit 38.15%
Exp 23

Avg DPS on test dummy is 3500-3700





Also, what kind of total DPS increase should we see when they fix ArP assuming fully 25man buffed we are at 70%+ ArP?

Last edited by uglygreenguy : 04/18/09 at 1:51 AM.

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Old 04/18/09, 5:37 AM   #746
Hamburglar
Von Kaiser
 
Undead Warrior
 
Balnazzar (EU)
According to Ghostcrawler, armorpen is working as they intended.
Source : MMO-Champion BlueTracker - 116% Armor Pen only giving 66%!?!?!?!
I wouldn`t really expect a buff to it anytime soon if blizz is actually stating the formula for armorpen and claiming it`s working correctly.

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Old 04/18/09, 7:45 AM   #747
tmacismagic
Glass Joe
 
Tauren Warrior
 
The Venture Co (EU)
Originally Posted by uglygreenguy View Post
I have a similar question that may also help answer your question

Dmg 1457-1751
AP 3379
ArP 453 (36.78%)
Hit 270
Crit 38.15%
Exp 23

Avg DPS on test dummy is 3500-3700
- uglygreenguy

How are you pulling off such high DPS because I have Similar stats to you apart from I dont have 453 ArP i got about 50 and I'm doing 2.4-2.5k Dps on boss dummy. Looks like ArP could be the future to Arms if 400 ArP can increase DPS to 1000 unless I am doing something drastically wrong.

Originally Posted by Sajakain View Post
Random post I know, and for that I apologize. I just wanted to clear up some things. I think my DPS is a bit too low, or maybe I'm wrong, not totally sure.

=========

Damage: 1483 - 1807
Power: 3269
Hit Rating: 297
Crit Chance: 37.16%
Expertise: 20

Spec: 54/17
Major Glyphs: Execution, Rending, Mortal Strike
Minor Glyphs: Bloodrage, Battle

=========

Since 3.1, obviously I have went from Fury to Arms. The testing I've done is on the Heroic Training Dummy (The boss dummy). Here is the following points I have kept in mind while putting out a 10 minute fight. (Listed in order of importance in my opinion).

- Rend Is Kept Up (Refreshed if dropped)
- Procs:
-- Execute
-- Overpower
- Bladestorm (Always with Trinket)
- Mortal Strike
- Slam
- Heroic Strike (As a rage dump only)

With this in mind, I'm pulling around 2400 - 2500 DPS. The only buff that I apply to myself is Battle Shout. Anything else comes from the battle. (I.E., no food buffs, no elixirs, etc..)

Is this normal? Low? Average? I feel it's kinda low. Any tips / suggestions would be appreciated.

- Sajakain
I also feel the same as Sajakain. I have similiar stats and dps to Sajakain but 38 % crit. I also feel its sort of low. Unless this is what people are doing on Dummies.

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Old 04/18/09, 7:54 AM   #748
Anduryondon
Piston Honda
 
Undead Warrior
 
Blackrock (EU)
After three days straight Ulduar raiding I noticed for myself that i have some problems to use HS when i have 100 Rage. Especially in chaotic fights like Mimiron. At the moment i use HS only when we melees get damage and I am sure that my rage wont drop for other GCDs.
I also wonder what is better when MS has 1 second cooldown on it and no other Procc is up. Wait for MS or throw in a Slam and waste 0,5s (probably a little more, due to my connection and fps lags) or wait for MS and waste 1 second GCD?

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Old 04/18/09, 8:52 AM   #749
Sajakain
Glass Joe
 
Sajakain's Avatar
 
Worgen Warrior
 
Fenris
Originally Posted by uglygreenguy View Post
I have a similar question that may also help answer your question

Dmg 1457-1751
AP 3379
ArP 453 (36.78%)
Hit 270
Crit 38.15%
Exp 23

Avg DPS on test dummy is 3500-3700

Also, what kind of total DPS increase should we see when they fix ArP assuming fully 25man buffed we are at 70%+ ArP?
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Originally Posted by tmacismagic View Post
How are you pulling off such high DPS because I have Similar stats to you apart from I dont have 453 ArP i got about 50 and I'm doing 2.4-2.5k Dps on boss dummy. Looks like ArP could be the future to Arms if 400 ArP can increase DPS to 1000 unless I am doing something drastically wrong.

I also feel the same as Sajakain. I have similiar stats and dps to Sajakain but 38 % crit. I also feel its sort of low. Unless this is what people are doing on Dummies.
Well, going off the first quote, 3500-3700 DPS on the Dummy Boss? All I have to say is...Wow. Your stats are similar to mine, give or take on some with the exception of one stat. Armor Penetration. (I'm presuming this is what ArP is.). Yours is at 453 (36.78%) while mine is only at 86 (6.98%). The only thing left to determine, as far as differences, is our rotation. I've supplied mine in my previous post. Is yours the same, or similar to it? Or is it completely different?

- Sajakain

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Old 04/18/09, 9:24 AM   #750
Gorrog666
Von Kaiser
 
Orc Warrior
 
Dalvengyr (EU)
I just ran SW with a random raid and why do I mention SW? Because, we had another Arms warrior with Betrayer and boss fights are still boss fights. The result is pretty simple.

I used ArP Gems and primarily ArP equip, he used axe spec and STR gems. To just sum up things the generall dps order is ArP+Axe > ArP+Mace = STR+Axe for Naxx weapons. While I was able to keep up with his dps with my Jawbone on most fights I was even able to catch up and pass him on Brutallus. I lost quite a few GCD for Sunder Armor but in the end I had ~450 dps more than him. Jawbone being a inferior weapon to Betrayer I could imagine an equal weapon to easily compete with axe spec. When I switched to Betrayer on KJ the dps looked totally different after we Bladestormed the 3 mobs just before KJ I had exactly 7.8k and he had 7k. In the end the ArP and Betrayer combo won the dps race, the only question would remain if it was because of spec or because Betrayer is a superior weapon.

One more thing that is worth mentioning is damage on the attacks we did, the big difference between equip on our side is that i have roughly 34% crit and he had 41%, AP being almost the same like most of the other values:

ArP MS
Avg crit 4k
Max crit 8.3k

STR/Crit MS
Avg crit 3k
Max crit 7k

there were similiar numbers throughout recount. Considering what I have seen so far I'd have to say crit is one of the most unreliable stats ever. ArP being most dominant and being followed by STR. Crit numbers in our cases were to random to say or predict that one of us really had more crit. If you get lucky and crit a lot you'll get good dps but I wouldn't call that dependent dps.

I also don't think the bleeding damage is an argument against ArP. While I lost 300 damage on my rend ticks for one I gained over 1k+ on most of my attacks.

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