If it was 20-30% of the tanks health, I'd agree... but if it's 80 or even 90%+ of the tanks health (similar to Gluth's Decimate, but just on the tank), then I don't think it can be 'trivialised' as such until you break the point where you have sufficient health left afterwards to survive 1-2 melee hits.

I'm liking all the discussion about new talents that would add rend dmg or increase the weapon dmg component on devastate but wouldn't this lead to the exact opposite problem we have right now? That is, no real options when selecting a tanking weapon. This would require tanks to use Broken Promise instead of the other weapons available. And the dearth of slow tanking weapons out there would ensure that we're all fighting for that one weapon.

I like having to choose between fast and slow weapons. I like the slightly different styles and having to decide depending on whether the fight is going to give me so much rage that a fast weapon is superior or if I am not getting rage/OT'ing such that a slow weapon is superior.

The problem as I see it right now is that the dropoff/cutover point for this decision is too steep: in almost all cases if you are MT'ing you produce better threat and DPS with a fast weapon, in almost all cases if you are OT'ing you produce better threat and DPS with a slow weapon, and the different between MT'ing and OT'ing is way too much.

My suggestions were aimed to shift this decision point more towards a play-style/talent selection choice and blunt the sharpness in the difference between MT and OT threat. Removing threat from HS and putting it into other skills helps this a lot. However, to keep it so that slow weapons are not the only option you would keep the bonus damage on HS the way it is. And again, all of my suggestions are focused on keeping the implementation (and rebalancing DPS warriors/other classes) difficulty at the lowest possible level so that the possibility the developers may choose to do something is greater.

Do you honestly consider having to press HS once every 1.6 secs compared to once every 2.6 secs a different playstyle? I don't, which is why I don't see a point in using fast weapons over the vastly superior slow ones.

If we actually benefited from our white hits vs. trying to remove them like a madman then there would still be a reason to go for fast weapons which personally I prefer conceptually anyway. Let the DKs and their massive 2handers be the slowpokes.

This may be a bit off topic, but since a few weeks before BC came out, I have raided, pvp-ed, and brushed my teeth as prot. I have been working on refining my prot pvp forever, and I believe I have come up w/ a finalized package. I don't even have my full set yet, but so far my highest crit has been 12.5k on a mage.

Here is the set:
Item Comparison Tool - World of Warcraft

and the spec:
WorldofWarcraft.com -> Info -> Classes -> Warrior -> Talent Calculator

Glyphs:
Major- Blocking, devastate, rapid charge
Minor- Bloodrage, charge, battle

Any suggestions? Or if you'd want me to explain certain point choices, feel free to ask. I'm a Smitty too so add 3 sockets as well.

Note: Lavanthor's Talisman is effected by ALL of my block value buffs, including Shield Mastery, Shield Block, Glyph of Blocking and the 5% BV meta gem (the eternal cut)...when all of these are running, that trinket is pumping out over 1500 block value for the duration of shield block, and over 750 with it running w/ out shield block.

You have sword and board. You just used Shield Slam, then a devastate (procing S & B), following up with the free Shield Slam. With a 1.5 speed, this can happen very, very fast. With a 2.6, the refresh of your shield slam cooldown takes even longer.

Please. Stop. Posting.

I was refering more to shield slam and devastate damage. With a 2.6, the damage of a HS may increase, but you are using it less. Example in a 10 second timeframe. 6 smaller HS versus 4 bigger HS costing you a little more than 10 seconds.

I always prefered quick weapons as it complements reaction time in an O shit situation (avg human reaction I believe is 1.4)

Could you maybe read the whole thread instead of random shrapnels then state what we all know (that HS is better with fast weapons in high rage sitatuions at the moment)? We were bouncing off ideas on how to solve the HS issue, some people suggesting a toggle, some people advocating to remove it and replace it with something else entirely and some people who would see HS equally good for fast and slow weapons (me) which was the whole basis of my argument.

Really, read the thread before you reply. Anything else is just disrespectful.

A common and easy to implement suggestion is to make devastate work off weapon DPS, not damage, so it doesn't matter what the weapon speed is, it gets the same benefit. If HS is unable to be spammed 24/7, it also wouldn't be affected by using a slower weapon as opposed to a fast.