SimulationCraft - S(t)imulating your inner rage - Page 4

Starfox · 05/18/09, 12:39 PM

Originally Posted by Naesstrom

I just discovered simulationcraft and I'm starting to get around it some by now! and this is probably a stupid question! But in the second post you link some pawn scales connected with the simcraft templates that you was using... is there anyway to get this out of simcraft in a easy way?

Just run your profile with:
calculate_scale_factors=1

Starfox · 08/17/09, 9:26 PM

Long time no update :/

Did a scale factor run for warrios and edited the first posts with the results etc.

Starfox · 08/23/09, 3:23 PM

Updating warrior T8 gear profiles, so everything that drops from ulduar or earlier raids:
Fury: Profiler - Wowhead
Arms Axe: Profiler - Wowhead
Arms Mace: Profiler - Wowhead
Arms Sword: Profiler - Wowhead

Anything that should be done different besides converting to epic gems?

BWarner · 08/23/09, 5:14 PM

You said "drops from Ulduar or earlier" - but are you intentionally leaving out the quest rewards from deep Ulduar completion? I would argue that counts as "Ulduar or earlier", but it certainly doesn't fall under the "drop" restriction. Also, are you also looking to include the new ToC 5-man?

Dropping Mjolnir and going straight ArP is probably better at this point - I'm able to get a mockup set going with . Considering just the Arms axe spec in my setup, though the concept can be expanded to the other weapon specs, or even Fury (though I haven't played with their gearings yet.) I can throw together a Wowhead profile or two in the next day or so to show you what I have in mind, if you like. I have a set of Ulduar gear that is sitting at right at the ArP effectiveness cap (99.96% passive ArP), but I'm a little wary of how it's being done (dropping the 4piece bonus for 239 shoulders and 219 gloves, as well as riding below the Hit and Expertise caps.) This is working within Rawr.DPSWarr. I'd like to run it in SimCraft to double check, (and Landsoul's spreadsheet, when it's available).

Starfox · 08/23/09, 5:36 PM

Originally Posted by BWarner

You said "drops from Ulduar or earlier" - but are you intentionally leaving out the quest rewards from deep Ulduar completion? I would argue that counts as "Ulduar or earlier", but it certainly doesn't fall under the "drop" restriction. Also, are you also looking to include the new ToC 5-man?

Dropping Mjolnir and going straight ArP is probably better at this point. Considering just the Arms axe spec in my setup, though the concept can be expanded to the other weapon specs, or even Fury (though I haven't played with their gearings yet.) I can throw together a Wowhead profile or two in the next day or so to show you what I have in mind, if you like.

I'd appreciate that, because it is always bit of a pain in the ass to do the profiles for SimulationCraft for classes which you don't have at max level.
From an item perspective I mean everything that can be obtained without emblems of triumph or setting foot into ToCrusader.
Quest rewards from ulduar completion? [Brann's Signet Ring] is used, which is from the Algalon quest.

BWarner · 08/23/09, 6:04 PM

Originally Posted by Starfox

I'd appreciate that, because it is always bit of a pain in the ass to do the profiles for SimulationCraft for classes which you don't have at max level.
From an item perspective I mean everything that can be obtained without emblems of triumph or setting foot into ToCrusader.
Quest rewards from ulduar completion? [Brann's Signet Ring] is used, which is from the Algalon quest.

Yeah, I'm a bit blind, it seems. =P Edited the last post to include a little more info, going to set up the profile quickly before raid tonight.

I also adjusted to an Incite build, rather than an Imp Execute one.

Excession · 08/23/09, 7:34 PM

A few things could be slightly improved I think. Use a [Nightmare Tear] in the neck for sure. Go for the socket bonus on the cloak and wrists, at least according to Rawr, but maybe it is overvaluing Crit and Agi.

BWarner · 08/23/09, 8:03 PM

Here we are, some potential BiS (Arms-Axe) setups.

I built these in a particular way. Intentionally not counting in any potentially relevant racials or faction-specific buffs. Assuming JC+BS a professions. Assuming a fight with zero movement and a single target. Assuming no maintenance of any buffs that consume a GCD (shouts/sunder/TClap). Optimized according to these assumptions.

These were created using the DPSWarr module of Rawr, r36225. Modeled using one Indestructible potion due to current limitations of the model, with a fight length of 6min, 15sec.

For some reason, it doesn't want to allow me to add sockets to the waist, wrists, and hands. Assume a Fractured Dragon's Eye in each of those slots. Also, assume that +40ArP food and the +180 AP flask is being chosen. Used a Relentless Earthsiege for both setups, placed Nightmare Tear in the chest .

4pcT8 setup
Profiler - Wowhead
97.85% passive ArP
Theoretical performance output according to Rawr: 7614.768 DPS.

Notes: This setup is Hit capped, but is not Expertise(dodge) capped. This is my preference for BiS. Pretty straight-forward. The other set is closer to the ArP cap, but this seems to outperform it, and is slightly more conventional, to boot.

2pcT8 setup
Profiler - Wowhead
99.68% passive ArP
Theoretical performance output according to Rawr: 7602.201 DPS.

Notes:

I realize that this setup is neither Hit not Expertise(dodge) capped, and I further realize that I am forgoing the 4-piece T8 set bonus. ArP is nearly capped, at 99.64% passive ArP, and I did make my final gem Str (placed in the neckpiece).

Also, I'm hoping the two quest reward rings (10 and 25) do not lock one another out, though I'm not too afraid of this being the case.

Fears: Breaking the 4-piece T8, though this is made up for by placing 3x239s in the other tier slots. More worrisome is that, even though I require exactly 19 Hit to be Hit capped, I am being told to gem +20Str as opposed to +20Hit (which would also pick up a socket bonus.) If you wish to force this to be hit capped, Replace the Str gem in the neck with an ArP one, and put a Rigid King's Amber in the cloak (6Agi slightly edges out 4Str here). If you wish to simply get very close to Hit Cap, replace the Str gem in the neck with and ArP one, and put an Accurate Ametrine in the gloves.

Starfox · 08/24/09, 5:13 AM

Originally Posted by BWarner

Here we are, some potential BiS (Arms-Axe) setups.

I built these in a particular way. Intentionally not counting in any potentially relevant racials or faction-specific buffs. Assuming JC+BS a professions. Assuming a fight with zero movement and a single target. Assuming no maintenance of any buffs that consume a GCD (shouts/sunder/TClap). Optimized according to these assumptions.

These were created using the DPSWarr module of Rawr, r36225. Modeled using one Indestructible potion due to current limitations of the model, with a fight length of 6min, 15sec.

For some reason, it doesn't want to allow me to add sockets to the waist, wrists, and hands. Assume a Fractured Dragon's Eye in each of those slots. Also, assume that +40ArP food and the +180 AP flask is being chosen. Used a Relentless Earthsiege for both setups, placed Nightmare Tear in the chest .

4pcT8 setup
Profiler - Wowhead
97.85% passive ArP
Theoretical performance output according to Rawr: 7614.768 DPS.

Notes: This setup is Hit capped, but is not Expertise(dodge) capped. This is my preference for BiS. Pretty straight-forward. The other set is closer to the ArP cap, but this seems to outperform it, and is slightly more conventional, to boot.

2pcT8 setup
Profiler - Wowhead
99.68% passive ArP
Theoretical performance output according to Rawr: 7602.201 DPS.

Notes:

I realize that this setup is neither Hit not Expertise(dodge) capped, and I further realize that I am forgoing the 4-piece T8 set bonus. ArP is nearly capped, at 99.64% passive ArP, and I did make my final gem Str (placed in the neckpiece).

Also, I'm hoping the two quest reward rings (10 and 25) do not lock one another out, though I'm not too afraid of this being the case.

Fears: Breaking the 4-piece T8, though this is made up for by placing 3x239s in the other tier slots. More worrisome is that, even though I require exactly 19 Hit to be Hit capped, I am being told to gem +20Str as opposed to +20Hit (which would also pick up a socket bonus.) If you wish to force this to be hit capped, Replace the Str gem in the neck with an ArP one, and put a Rigid King's Amber in the cloak (6Agi slightly edges out 4Str here). If you wish to simply get very close to Hit Cap, replace the Str gem in the neck with and ArP one, and put an Accurate Ametrine in the gloves.

Thanks man, I'll have a look and add them to simcraft

Sockets: Right click slot => Add Socket
Ah, tested it myself, it's not possible to add sockets on wowhead, only gloves, horray :<

sunjinsel · 08/24/09, 10:27 AM

BWarner, in both of your BiS equip sets you are using [Comet's Trail], which I think is a really bad choice. If the SEP values in Landsoul's spreadsheat are correct or nearly correct, haste is worth 1/3 compared to strength. Try using [Dark Matter] or [Darkmoon Card: Greatness] instead.

BWarner · 08/24/09, 11:45 AM

I agree about the Haste thing, but was working almost strictly with the values I was getting from Rawr. In my mind, Dark Matter is probably a better trink, absolutely. The devil's advocate in me is saying that Comet's Trail has more passive AP, and a greater value of the stat it DOES have on proc, but I don't know if this would realistically put it ahead of the other two options you mentioned. You can certainly switch out that trink, if you like, and I would be interested to see the difference in an output of SimCraft (may go play around with that some).

BWarner · 08/25/09, 1:12 PM

I'm also assuming that we're not including the new crafted items, as well? Technically, the orbs could be purchased on the AH and made from somebody who has the patterns, without requiring any stepping into Coli - but I think you're not wanting me to include these items, correct?

Working on a Fury set now, and will get back with some work on the other weapon specs as I get some free time (classes just started up).

BWarner · 08/28/09, 3:57 PM

Ditto on the BoE stuff out of Coli - still not working with them, don't know if you would like me to include them in my considerations.

Dalmasca · 02/10/10, 2:02 PM

Did anyone else notice a gain of 10-20 dps when switching the offhand enchant from Berserking to Mongoose for highly-geared characters? I was quite surprised when I saw this, but it makes sense since it would give you a good chunk of more rage with increased attack speed as well as removing the armor reduction penalty from Berserking, which doesn't interact well with the Armed to the Teeth talent.

Just wanted to see if anyone else got this result and thought it was worth going for. Thoughts?

Caltiom · 03/31/10, 4:23 AM

Here are 2 T10 warrior profiles, feel free to use them. I wouldn't call them BiS, there could some hideen tweaks, but they should be fairly close.
The rotations are kept simple, because even if you could improve your dps with some highly complex formulas, it's not really that much.

Fury ~14'100 DPS:

#!./simc 

warrior=Warrior_T10_19_52_00_SM
origin="http://profiler.wowhead.com/?profile=20969288"
level=80
race=human
use_pre_potion=-1
talents=http://www.wowarmory.com/talent-calc.xml?cid=1&tal=3202300123300000000000000000000305050002520310053120501351
glyphs=heroic_strike/whirlwind/execution
actions=flask,type=endless_rage
actions+=/food,type=hearty_rhino
actions+=/stance,choose=berserker,if=in_combat=0
actions+=/auto_attack
actions+=/snapshot_stats
actions+=/indestructible_potion
actions+=/bloodrage,rage<=85
actions+=/recklessness
actions+=/death_wish
actions+=/heroic_strike,rage>=50
actions+=/whirlwind
actions+=/bloodthirst
actions+=/slam,bloodsurge=1
actions+=/execute
actions+=/berserker_rage
head=sanctified_ymirjar_lords_helmet,heroic=1,stats=2239armor_106arpen_114crit_209sta_185str,gems=relentless_earthsiege_34arpen_8str,enchant=50ap_20crit
neck=sindragosas_cruel_claw,heroic=1,stats=102agi_68arpen_120ap_60haste_102sta,gems=20arpen
shoulders=sanctified_ymirjar_lords_shoulderplates,heroic=1,stats=2067armor_82arpen_90crit_155sta_147str,gems=20arpen_4str,enchant=40ap_15crit
chest=sanctified_ymirjar_lords_battleplate,heroic=1,stats=2756armor_106arpen_122crit_209sta_193str,gems=20arpen_15sta_10str_6str,enchant=10str_10agi_10sta_10int_10spi
waist=coldwraith_links,heroic=1,stats=1550armor_78arpen_85crit_155sta_139str,gems=10crit_10str_20arpen_20str_6str
legs=sanctified_ymirjar_lords_legplates,heroic=1,stats=2412armor_122crit_106exp_208sta_193str,gems=20arpen_20arpen,enchant=75ap_22crit
feet=bloodsoaked_saronite_stompers,heroic=1,stats=1895armor_74arpen_90crit_155sta_139str,gems=20str_34str,enchant=15sta
wrists=polar_bear_claw_bracers,heroic=1,stats=1206armor_68crit_60hit_116sta_108str,gems=10haste_10str_20str_4str,enchant=50ap
hands=aldrianas_gloves_of_secrecy,heroic=1,stats=128agi_434armor_90arpen_165ap_74haste_136sta,gems=10hit_10str_20arpen_34str_6agi,enchant=44ap
finger1=ashen_band_of_endless_vengeance,stats=88agi_135ap_59crit_59hit_84sta,gems=10haste_10str_4agi,equip=onattackhit_480ap_1ppm_10dur_60cd
finger2=frostbrood_sapphire_ring,heroic=1,stats=102agi_68arpen_120ap_60crit_102sta,gems=20arpen_4crit
trinket1=deathbringers_will,heroic=1,stats=167arpen
trinket2=deaths_verdict,heroic=1,stats=288ap
back=shadowvault_slayers_cloak,heroic=1,stats=102agi_185armor_120ap_60crit_68haste_102sta,gems=10haste_10str_4agi,enchant=22agi
main_hand=shadowmourne,stats=114arpen_114crit_198sta_223str,gems=20arpen_20arpen_20arpen_8str,enchant=berserking,weapon=axe2h_3.70speed_954min_1592max
off_hand=glorenzelg_highblade_of_the_silver_hand,heroic=1,stats=122crit_114exp_222sta_198str,gems=20arpen_20arpen_20arpen,enchant=berserking,weapon=sword2h_3.60speed_991min_1487max
ranged=falinrush_defender_of_quelthalas,heroic=1,stats=62agi_66ap_41crit_33haste_62sta,gems=20arpen,weapon=crossbow_3.00speed_782min_1071max
# Gear Summary
# gear_strength=1759
# gear_agility=651
# gear_stamina=2255
# gear_intellect=10
# gear_spirit=10
# gear_attack_power=1273
# gear_expertise_rating=220
# gear_armor_penetration_rating=1287
# gear_hit_rating=129
# gear_crit_rating=1218
# gear_haste_rating=265
# gear_armor=14744
# meta_gem=relentless_earthsiege
# tier10_2pc_melee=1
# tier10_4pc_melee=1
# trinket1=deathbringers_will,heroic=1
# trinket2=deaths_verdict,heroic=1
# main_hand=shadowmourne,weapon=axe2h_3.70speed_954min_1592max,enchant=berserking
# off_hand=glorenzelg_highblade_of_the_silver_hand,heroic=1,weapon=sword2h_3.60speed_991min_1487max,enchant=berserking
# ranged=falinrush_defender_of_quelthalas,heroic=1,weapon=crossbow_3.00speed_782min_1071max

Arms ~12'500 DPS

#!./simc 

warrior=Warrior_T10_55_08_08_SM
origin="http://profiler.wowhead.com/?profile=20977076"
level=80
race=human
use_pre_potion=-1
talents=http://www.wowarmory.com/talent-calc.xml?cid=1&tal=30203220233351001020122132312513050000000000000000000000002033
glyphs=mortal_strike/rending/execution/command/charge/bloodrage
actions=flask,type=endless_rage
actions+=/food,type=hearty_rhino
actions+=/stance,choose=battle,if=in_combat=0
actions+=/auto_attack
actions+=/snapshot_stats
actions+=/indestructible_potion
actions+=/bloodrage,rage<=85
actions+=/heroic_strike,rage>=75
actions+=/rend
actions+=/overpower
actions+=/bladestorm
actions+=/mortal_strike
actions+=/execute
actions+=/slam
head=sanctified_ymirjar_lords_helmet,heroic=1,stats=2239armor_106arpen_114crit_209sta_185str,gems=relentless_earthsiege_34arpen_8str,enchant=50ap_20crit
neck=sindragosas_cruel_claw,heroic=1,stats=102agi_68arpen_120ap_60haste_102sta,gems=10hit_10str
shoulders=sanctified_ymirjar_lords_shoulderplates,heroic=1,stats=2067armor_82arpen_90crit_155sta_147str,gems=20arpen_4str,enchant=40ap_15crit
chest=sanctified_ymirjar_lords_battleplate,heroic=1,stats=2756armor_106arpen_122crit_209sta_193str,gems=20arpen_10arpen_15sta_6str,enchant=10str_10agi_10sta_10int_10spi
waist=coldwraith_links,heroic=1,stats=1550armor_78arpen_85crit_155sta_139str,gems=10hit_10str_20arpen_34hit_6str
legs=sanctified_ymirjar_lords_legplates,heroic=1,stats=2412armor_122crit_106exp_208sta_193str,gems=34arpen_20arpen,enchant=75ap_22crit
feet=bloodsoaked_saronite_stompers,heroic=1,stats=1895armor_74arpen_90crit_155sta_139str,gems=20arpen_10hit_10str,enchant=15sta
wrists=polar_bear_claw_bracers,heroic=1,stats=1206armor_68crit_60hit_116sta_108str,gems=10hit_10str_20str_4str,enchant=50ap
hands=aldrianas_gloves_of_secrecy,heroic=1,stats=128agi_434armor_90arpen_165ap_74haste_136sta,gems=10hit_10str_20arpen_20hit_6agi,enchant=44ap
finger1=ashen_band_of_endless_vengeance,stats=88agi_135ap_59crit_59hit_84sta,gems=10hit_10str_4agi,equip=onattackhit_480ap_1ppm_10dur_60cd
finger2=frostbrood_sapphire_ring,heroic=1,stats=102agi_68arpen_120ap_60crit_102sta,gems=20str_4crit
trinket1=deathbringers_will,heroic=1,stats=167arpen
trinket2=deaths_verdict,heroic=1,stats=288ap
back=shadowvault_slayers_cloak,heroic=1,stats=102agi_185armor_120ap_60crit_68haste_102sta,gems=20str,enchant=22agi
main_hand=shadowmourne,stats=114arpen_114crit_198sta_223str,gems=20arpen_20arpen_20arpen_8str,enchant=berserking,weapon=axe2h_3.70speed_954min_1592max
ranged=falinrush_defender_of_quelthalas,heroic=1,stats=62agi_66ap_41crit_33haste_62sta,gems=20str,weapon=crossbow_3.00speed_782min_1071max
# Gear Summary
# gear_strength=1513
# gear_agility=647
# gear_stamina=2033
# gear_intellect=10
# gear_spirit=10
# gear_attack_power=1273
# gear_expertise_rating=106
# gear_armor_penetration_rating=1211
# gear_hit_rating=233
# gear_crit_rating=1086
# gear_haste_rating=235
# gear_armor=14744
# meta_gem=relentless_earthsiege
# tier10_2pc_melee=1
# tier10_4pc_melee=1
# trinket1=deathbringers_will,heroic=1
# trinket2=deaths_verdict,heroic=1
# main_hand=shadowmourne,weapon=axe2h_3.70speed_954min_1592max,enchant=berserking
# ranged=falinrush_defender_of_quelthalas,heroic=1,weapon=crossbow_3.00speed_782min_1071max

rudiculous · 06/04/10, 8:46 AM

I feel the protection warrior priority system should be revised. With the buffs to revenge (patch 3.3.3) and the nerf to concussion blow (patch 3.3.2), the priority system should look like this:

Revenge
Shockwave
Shield Slam
Devastate

Shockwave is quite low in the current priority system, while it is actually one of our strongest attacks, even single target. The position of Shield Slam might depend on the amount of Block Value on your gear, however for most tanks this amount is quite low.

Since concussion blow has been nerfed to do 50% less damage, it now does less damage than devastate at five stacks of sunder armour.

Lastly, for protection warriors, ArP-food probably is a worse choice than expertise-food. Protection warriors usually don't have much armour penetration on their gear, and expertise scales insanely good for us -- even after reaching the dodge cap.

Caltiom · 06/09/10, 7:02 AM

Most of these changes were already made in this revision: r4499 - simulationcraft - Project Hosting on Google Code.

dedmonwakeen · 06/09/10, 9:26 AM

Dedmon has been sitting on his lazy posterior and needs to get a new release out.......

Please continue to bear with me: A new release will be forthcoming.

Skyhawk · 06/09/10, 11:31 AM

Originally Posted by rudiculous

I feel the protection warrior priority system should be revised. With the buffs to revenge (patch 3.3.3) and the nerf to concussion blow (patch 3.3.2), the priority system should look like this:

Revenge
Shockwave
Shield Slam
Devastate

Shockwave is quite low in the current priority system, while it is actually one of our strongest attacks, even single target. The position of Shield Slam might depend on the amount of Block Value on your gear, however for most tanks this amount is quite low.

Is this assuming T10 2-piece and points spent in Improved Revenge? Without either, Shockwave wouldn't be above Shield Slam and Revenge wouldn't be #1 on the list.

rudiculous · 06/09/10, 12:58 PM

Originally Posted by Skyhawk

Is this assuming T10 2-piece and points spent in Improved Revenge? Without either, Shockwave wouldn't be above Shield Slam and Revenge wouldn't be #1 on the list.

Yes, sorry, you are absolutely right. Although even without the 2-piece T10, revenge and shockwave seem to be hitting considerably harder than shield slam.

Skyhawk · 06/10/10, 11:04 AM

Originally Posted by rudiculous

Although even without the 2-piece T10, revenge and shockwave seem to be hitting considerably harder than shield slam.

If you're spec'ed into Improved Revenge it will hit harder than Shield Slam (I've seen logs in which I surpass a 14k Revenge crit) and Shockwave also "hits" harder than Shield Slam. However, in terms of which ability generates the most threat Shield Slam is still #1 and should be the top priority in your threat rotation. If, on the other hand, you're going for a damage rotation then yes, Shield Slam won't be as high on the list and will follow both Revenge (Improved) and Shockwave.