Monk Simple Questions Thread: Mists Beta Edition - Page 2

Stu · 07/31/12, 3:42 PM

Also keep in mind that sometime in the Beta Class Analysis thread, GC stated that Guardian type summons will dynamically update stats during their lifecycle, similar to how most other pets work. No more "snapshot" style summons.

Brotherbear · 08/12/12, 1:44 AM

So now that RaF has been officially allowed, I've been looking over my "instant 80" gear set I'm getting ready for my monk and I'm torn about weapons.

I've got two [Death Pyre Mace] as well as a [Berto's Staff]

Of course I have the non-heroic Berto's (iLevel 308) but the link defaults to the non-existent heroic version.

Is the higher iLevel of the staff going to make it the superior choice for leveling? From what I've been able to determine, dual wield versus two hander dps basically comes down to the iLevel, but I wanted to ask for y'all's opinion.

Thanks!

lairpie · 08/16/12, 3:43 PM

My plan:
80 [Tankard O' Terror] x2. Should be plenty of them sitting around mostly forgotten.
81 [Heavy Geode Mace] or [Decapitator's Razor] x2
83 [The Perforator] x2
84 CoC reward
85 [Tremendous Tankard O' Terror] x2

Though I'm actually not sure: if you're at say level 11.9 when you leave pandaria, do you jump to 80.9, or just 80?

Mihir · 08/20/12, 2:15 PM

As far as I know you'll end at 80.9. Personally I'm going for the non-pandaren solution with 399/400 lvl1 xp, which should end up at about 4k xp short of lvl81 (less if i time the exploration xp of stormwind correctly).

Mihir · 08/20/12, 2:18 PM

Originally Posted by Stu

Also keep in mind that sometime in the Beta Class Analysis thread, GC stated that Guardian type summons will dynamically update stats during their lifecycle, similar to how most other pets work. No more "snapshot" style summons.

I verified this a few days ago, and it's working like this currently, tho there's a small 2-3 sec delay between popping a trinket/potion and the corresponding melee damage increase on Xuen.

lairpie · 08/20/12, 3:32 PM

Originally Posted by Mihir

As far as I know you'll end at 80.9. Personally I'm going for the non-pandaren solution with 399/400 lvl1 xp, which should end up at about 4k xp short of lvl81 (less if i time the exploration xp of stormwind correctly).

I RAF boosted a character this weekend to 80.8 from 79.8 (didn't want to risk ruining my test so i stopped at .8), so unless something changes between then and now, confirmed can go right to almost 81. Lets see if i can sell these level 80 tankards to other future monks anyway.

Also note: you get a weapon almost right away in Pandaria at 85.

Rachel! · 09/18/12, 8:34 PM

I know that right now, we only have the barest overview of raid and challenge mode mechanics to come in MoP. However, I'm wondering what percentage of our healing is likely to require mistweaving at range versus "fistweaving" (as some are calling it) in melee. And what factors decide which mode is most appropriate for the occasion? I'm main-swapping from priest to mistweaver, and I'd like to be able to look at boss mechanics ahead of time and eyeball when it's best to do each. Should we be aiming to fistweave as much as possible, and only move out to mistweave when it becomes too dangerous to stay in melee range? Is mistweaving almost always preferable in certain group types (5-man vs 10-man vs 25-man)? Should raid-healers be fistweaving almost constantly, whereas tank healers should almost always be mistweaving? Or is it always just going to be a constant balancing act, depending on ambient conditions?

In my experience on beta (which I stopped playing a few weeks back, so the numbers have probably been tweaked and re-tweaked in the meantime), I didn't feel as though fistweaving was adequate to keep up a tank in heroic 5-mans. On the couple 25-man bosses I was able to test as a raid-healer, fistweaving seemed quite good. But not so much in heroics. It was most problematic at the beginning of pulls, when damage output is heaviest. It seems like fistweaving requires a not-insignificant ramp-up period to get all the necessary buffs up and running, which just wasn't working for me on heroic multi-mob pulls.

Spleener · 09/19/12, 1:24 PM

You're pretty much right. Mistweaving is optimal for damage that's focused on one target (the tank,) fistweaving is optimal when the raid is spread out or taking uneven damage, while SCK is the optimal way to build chi when the raid is stacked up and being facefucked in glorious unison. The T30 talents also each represent each of those niches, for the most part- ZS for tank healing, CW for spread/uneven damage, and CB for clustered/even damage.

So in practice, pure fistweaving isn't going to fly in 5s (since that won't keep the tank alive) but will do well in raids (when you can get some other guy to worry about the tank instead.)

Fistweaving also pulls out ahead if there's some gimmick that increases damage but not healing in play, of course.

Masq · 09/20/12, 10:19 AM

Are there any beta spreadsheets modelling monk races DPS at the moment?
I've read conflicting reports regarding which race is best for horde. Some say Troll for berserking, some say Orc for Bloodfury and Axe expertise, and some even say Pandafor the food buff.

Scaron · 10/02/12, 9:54 PM

Question about mistweaver:

Would one prioritize using Mana Tea (glyphed) when one has only one stack of Mana Tea to consume--thus putting the spell on 10 sec CD for only a 4% mana return--or should one wait for the second stack of Mana Tea?

I'm curious what is most optimal over longer fights for mana conservation.

nightlily · 10/03/12, 1:50 AM

Originally Posted by Scaron

Question about mistweaver:

Would one prioritize using Mana Tea (glyphed) when one has only one stack of Mana Tea to consume--thus putting the spell on 10 sec CD for only a 4% mana return--or should one wait for the second stack of Mana Tea?

I'm curious what is most optimal over longer fights for mana conservation.

It won't hurt you if you have nothing better to do, either way you are receiving the same amount of mana per stack. However, since you are spending more time consuming stacks than you ought to be when you do that, it isn't something you would normally want to do. That is time you could have spent healing.

Dyaus · 10/10/12, 6:22 PM

I've poked around for a fistweaving guide a little bit, didn't come up with much. Just snippets here and there.

Anyone know of a good resource? I've tried it a couple times so far. Both my DPS and HPS were lackluster so I figure I'm doing something wrong

Iroared · 10/11/12, 4:50 PM

Originally Posted by lairpie

My plan:
80 [Tankard O' Terror] x2. Should be plenty of them sitting around mostly forgotten.
81 [Heavy Geode Mace] or [Decapitator's Razor] x2
83 [The Perforator] x2
84 CoC reward
85 [Tremendous Tankard O' Terror] x2

Though I'm actually not sure: if you're at say level 11.9 when you leave pandaria, do you jump to 80.9, or just 80?

I know it's been a while since this was posted, but at 80 you can pick up a pair of 409 one-handers, which will totally obliterate any other weapon for the next 5 levels. At 85 there's a 450 fist but that's usually more expensive.

pessadilla · 10/17/12, 10:55 PM

I have not found anything on the windwalker or brewmaster threads that compares racials.

Alcois · 10/24/12, 9:32 AM

Ka'eng, Breath of the Shadow + Gara'kal, Fist of the Spiritbinder

or

Screaming Tiger, Qiang's Unbreakable Polearm ?