Monk Simple Questions Thread: Mists Beta Edition - Page 4

crazy dodo · 12/24/12, 1:56 PM

Question for the Windwalker experts out there

Is there a situation where it is better to use Spinning Fire Blossom than Blackout Kick in melee range (considering you can do 2 SFB for the cost of 1 BK)?

Granted Chi is not an issue normally so if you're already GCD capped it would be a waste, but if you hit a dry spot or perhaps if intentionally running with low Haste, is there a point where SFB might take over BK? (while still maintaining or improving overall dps of course)

Callimar · 01/01/13, 9:19 PM

Hi,

First off want to say thank you for all the hard work you guys put in. I've only been monk healing for a couple of days so in general I'm pretty bad at it, but I have a few questions.

Stat priority: I've used the calculator and am learning my way around it. As secondary stats go it seems none are all that great. Haste is good for somethings and useless for the others, Mastery is... ok, depending on how well your raid steps in globes, and crit is.. good for most things? Last thought for spirit, does it make sense to get spirit to the point where you can essentially SM for free? Or as close to possible 2800mps that seams feasible. Also IF mana is comfortable would it then make sense to gem int in all red slots? Int sits more than 2x as good in all areas for me if I'm reading the calculator correctly.

L30 Talents: I've not seen anything definitive. I've heard that Chi burst can be good pending if you can line it up and Zen Sphere from what I've read here has been nerfed pretty well. Till 5.2 for ease of learning would it be best to stick to chi wave?

General game play: I have single target healing down so I'm not concerned there. Where I being to get bogged down in decision making is Chi generation and when/how to spend it. I think the easiest way to do this is to just tell you what I do. Currently I'm staying out of melee, with the exception of auto attacking while regening. While "classic" healing I use SM to build chi + EH + RM on CD. If single tgt tanking Ill EM if not uplift as long as I'm at 5+ targets. I only use SM if I absolutely have to. Admittedly I'm bad about remember to use my mana tea on CD (glyphed) but even still I chew through mana during raids like Richard Simmons at an open buffet. Below is an armory link. Again I've only been 90 for a couple of days but I'd rather provide as much info up front as possible.

Thanks again in advance. I really want to put in the work to become a great monk healer I'll just need a little help. Also would it be possible to update the OP? Would make it easier for new guys like myself.
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Kekze · 01/02/13, 4:20 PM

Im a bit unsure about my weapons. What would you prefer?

Heroic Gara'kal + Claws of Shekzeer Normal, with 500 Agi Gem and both double upgraded OR

Screaming Tiger Heroic (502 Polearm), double upgraded.

Simcraft says ~3k dps more for the one handeds

MomysLidlMonsta · 01/10/13, 10:29 AM

Originally Posted by crazy dodo

Question for the Windwalker experts out there

Is there a situation where it is better to use Spinning Fire Blossom than Blackout Kick in melee range (considering you can do 2 SFB for the cost of 1 BK)?

Granted Chi is not an issue normally so if you're already GCD capped it would be a waste, but if you hit a dry spot or perhaps if intentionally running with low Haste, is there a point where SFB might take over BK? (while still maintaining or improving overall dps of course)

If you are more than 10y away from your target (which is perfectly possible while still being able to hit the target with melee attacks on many bosses) SFB scales much better with agility (and ap) than BoK, but does not scale with weapon damage at all.
So if your weapon is significantly worse than the rest of your gear, SFB does more damage per chi than BoK. But I don't think you can replace many BoKs with SFBs without capping energy.

GoneHuntin · 01/31/13, 9:44 PM

510 Gara'Kal, Fist of the Spiritbinder + 489 Gara'Kal, Fist of the Spiritbinder

VS

517 Gao'Rei, Staff of the Legendary Protector

Is this worthwhile to upgrade? I just bonus rolled it from H:Tsulong while chasing after the belt, please note I will gain 660 agi + the difference in weapon, I know DW > 2H for WW, but is this a sufficiently large enough upgrade to A) justify using 1500 valor on it and B) using legendary gem and prismatic.

Note: I got tons of money, idgaf about the cost of replacing the socket or gem

Crevan · 02/01/13, 8:31 AM

Seven item level difference on main hand should be enough to at least break even, and that's not counting the extra gems. But as always, if in doubt, use simcraft.

Littch · 02/27/13, 3:40 PM

What is the best way to use Synapse Springs as a Windwalker? macro it to RSK or just make its own button?

lairpie · 02/28/13, 2:52 PM

Well, using it on its own button is obviously best if you're a robot, but more likely macroed to Tigereye Brew would offer a strong combination of never using it right as some phase change or something is happening, using it regularly, and otherwise using it with any other damage modifiers.

Nayre · 03/07/13, 12:11 PM

I was wondering if anyone knows of some way to track which mobs you have a clone from Storm, Earth, and Fire on. I'm finding it to be a pain to figure out which mob my clones are attacking if they're in a small clump. I haven't noticed a debuff on the mobs (please tell me if I'm wrong), and it seems as though there are only 2 ways to tell: Try and figure out specifically which mob the clone is facing, or go through your rotation and just watch to see if they're animating special attacks. Both are kind of clunky and slow.

lairpie · 03/07/13, 12:55 PM

Can't check now, but they should be doing the blackout kick dot. As far as I know that would be the best thing to look at, and that's a pretty weak answer. A debuff on the target indicating that they are SEFed would be really nice unless there's some other good way to tell other than visually.

Nayre · 03/07/13, 2:20 PM

That's what I was afraid of, yeah. Seems like all options are clunky at best.

Ston · 03/11/13, 2:42 PM

I've noticed that as long as the mobs are close together, RSK debuff will be on your target up to 3 times, 1 for you, and 1 for each clone. If you're on the same target as a clone, there'll be one less RSK debuff, since the clone on your target will be only auto-attacking.

This way (as long as the mobs are close enough to get RSK) you can tell in a way that's a little less clunky. they are tracked as your debuffs, so depending on the addons you're using, they show up larger or with your own timerbars.

Nayre · 03/12/13, 10:52 AM

I hadn't thought of that when I posted the initial question, but that's what I've ended up doing myself. And it's terrible because it means you have to potentially lose DPS to see if you're hitting the same target (if you are, then you lose the RSK clone damage + any other specials you used to fill in time if it was on CD).

Aka, it's clunky and terrible, and there really should be a better way to do it. But there isn't.

The other option would be to cancel your clones (I personally have a /cancelaura macro for them) and resummon them. That, too, can end up as a DPS loss though, 'cause you lose 1-2 GCDs resetting them. Oh well. Seems like it'll just have to be a case-by-case basis between watching for debuffs and just resetting.

Ruga · 03/14/13, 7:18 AM

I picked up Zeeg's Ancient Kegsmasher - Item - World of Warcraft as Thunderforged weapon (ilvl 541).

As far as I know, Weaponspeed isn't as much of a factor for us WWs - But just to ease my mind, I'd like to ask anyway: All well with having Zeeg's in MH, heroic Shek'zeer Claw (2x upgraded) in OH or should I swap them around? the 2.4 speed one is stronger in every aspect.

Edit: Mihir confirmed it's better in MH.

Rhaegal · 03/18/13, 11:25 AM

I'm having some difficulty figuring out exactly how to optimally incorporate Fists of Fury into the rotation. My understanding was that it should only be used when the following are true:

1. You and the target will be stationary for the duration of the cast.
2. Using it will not delay the next RSK.
3. You will not energy cap during the cast. (This also means that Energizing Brew must be on cooldown and no longer active.)
4. Tiger Power will not expire during the cast.
5. Chi Wave is on cooldown. (new requirement as of 5.2)

With ~6650 haste and either Ascension or Power Strikes, I find myself GCD capped the vast majority of the time without using FoF, and can only really fit in maybe one cast between each EB use. Upon re-reading through the WW thread here, I've noticed references to using FoF when "<85 energy". Does that mean it's actually okay to energy cap for two full seconds, which is what would happen if you use FoF at 80 energy?