That's what I had feared. However, there is a difference to ignite: All events (in PvE) that lead to a stagger dot are triggered server-side instead of client-side as in the case of fire-mages, so it should be easier to get things right.

Taking a look at our toolbox, we can see that mobility is absurdly good (roll + flying serpent + transcendence teleport every 3mins),
Single target threat will be made fine, AoE isn't trivial due to the cone shaped damage of Breath of fire.

Picking up adds could be done with drunken haze... Does drunken haze generate a measurable amount of threat? Else we can provoke
using the statue, although I do not like the fact, that provoke is only a x second taunt and does not deal damage. Another option is to cast crackling jade lightning for a single target (that seems to be baseline).

What I am still missing (or did not see) is a "in your face" skill for burst aggro like shield-slam (used to be). Or are Tiger Palm or even Clobber going to hit hard?

Does anyone have a high enough leveled Monk yet to test if Drunken Haze works on raid bosses? It doesn't have to be a Cata raid boss, any boss in Molten Core would for example (so a level 60 monk with a healer should be fine).

You'd need to combat log and have it analyzed with WoL though since addons aren't allowed yet.

If you can a second player to come with you, could you also check if Drunken Haze works him and not just Monks specifically?

I don't understand, why would Drunken Haze affect other players?

From the wording I saw on both MMO-C and WoWhead it didn't specify that the attacks would only miss the Monk.

Here is a link for reference:


Drunken Haze
40 yd range
Requires Ox Stance
You hurl a keg of your finest brew, reducing the movement speed of all enemies within 8 yards by 15%.

Affected targets have a 3% chance to have their attacks missfire and strike themselves instead for 1 damage. Stacks up to 3 times.

How exactly did you test this? Did you run Brewmaster as DPS role and just applied it for the other tank and then compare the WoL miss chance to the standard 5% miss chance?

I had a list of a couple of tests to run, but since I still haven't received access - if anyone is willing:

- [Answered: Yes]Stagger is a 25% proc - is this a 2-roll system like the new block
- [Answered: 3 seconds]How often does the dot from Stagger tick
- How are procs of stagger combined
- Does Guard scale with AP (some datamined versions have it as 1.9xx * AP)
- [Answered: Yes]Is the Tiger Palm buff consumed when Guard is used
- [Answered: Yes] - Does Guard absorb magic damage
- How is excess damage handled by Avert Harm - does it kill the Monk, does it absorb less damage, or is all the damage absorbed on the raid while the Monk is left at exactly 10% (during a single large AOE)
- [Answered: Yes]Does the monk still avoid attacks during Shuffle
- [Answered: Yes] - Can Fortifying Ale be clicked off / removed with /cancelaura
- [Answered: Drops Aggro]How does Dematerialize affect threat/aggro
- (not testable yet) How do the "friendly cyclone" talents affect aggro/threat
- Drunken Haze (mentioned above) - affects some bosses, not others

2 things of note:
[EDIT: Stamina increases are planned and included in Blizzard's current internal build]Monks do not appear to have any stamina or Armor increasing talents, but do have higher passive damage reduction than other tanks.
Brewmasters appear to not have any threat bonus in the current version of beta, so holding aggro is extremely difficult

Yes, can be removed / clicked off

The latest change to Roll made it free, but now has 2 charges that regenerate. You get one charge back after 10 seconds and the other after another 10 seconds.

That seems a bit long, but it means tanks can finally make use of it without sacrificing large amounts of damage and or mitigation. We'll also be able to consider different T1 talents and pick up Chi Torpedo.

http://i.imgur.com/swGPA.jpg

Stagger ticks every 3 seconds. It's observed to adjust to include the most recent damage and go down with time as well, like Deep Wounds.

Is anyone else wondering how useful Fortifying Brew is? From my perspective, it seems scary to not be able to be healed during the time it is up. Anyone else have any worries about it?

Why does there have to be a drawback for something that doubles your health? Icebound fortitude, survival instincts and guardian of ancient kings reduce damage taken by 50%, which is effectively doubling your health, and they don't have drawbacks. Those abilities last I think 12 seconds and fortifying ale does last up to 20, however. It will be interesting to see how often you can make use of those 8 extra seconds.

That is assuming when you cancel the buff your % hp remains the same, otherwise you could use and cancel it for an instant full heal, or just cancel it after your health is lower than your normal maximum which would make it more like an absorb effect that blocks healing.

The real test of whether this ability can match up to other tanks' will be how well you can coordinate the timing for healers. Using it right after healing comes in, having healers swap effectively so as not to waste time or mana trying to heal you, and getting heals right after you cancel it or it falls off will be a big deal, and it adds a serious layer of complexity that other tanks don't have to worry about.

I wouldn't be surprised at all if this ended up as a more cookie-cutter shield wall type cooldown. Maybe some kind of small flavor added in like icebound fortitude granting stun immunity.