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Old 11/27/12, 8:20 AM   #376
sickwidit07
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Pandaren Monk
 
Thunderhorn
So this is my first post so be easy on me.

I have been using the spread sheet as far as how to gem and what stats I should be using.... (if you check me out pls tell me if I am doing something wrong)

but I was how you guys are going about your rotation... right now I am just trying to keep blackout kick up and using guard in high damage points. I just want to make sure I am doing this right.

thanks

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Old 11/27/12, 2:26 PM   #377
Kitmajere
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Nevermind. Post deleted.

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Old 11/27/12, 3:29 PM   #378
Tsuki Ko
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Alleria
From today's (!) hotfixes:

- Desperate Measures now also resets the cooldown on Expel Harm when the Monk is below 35% health.

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Old 11/27/12, 4:05 PM   #379
Taser
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Good fix. But I still think that they should also make it free when the monk is below 35%.

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Old 11/27/12, 4:29 PM   #380
Netukka
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Originally Posted by Tsuki Ko View Post
From today's (!) hotfixes:

- Desperate Measures now also resets the cooldown on Expel Harm when the Monk is below 35% health.
Is it just me or does this seem incredibly OP, assuming it has no cooldown? Sure its on global and has energy cost, but EH can heal for incredible amounts with high vengeance, add in guard and you have a monk easily popping 150k non crit heals on himself whenever you want. Not hard to manage to have enough health to not be one shot but still dip below 35% and since you can time the first EH easily after boss swing, you always get two of them per cooldown reset.

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Old 11/27/12, 6:21 PM   #381
Edalia
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Originally Posted by Netukka View Post
Is it just me or does this seem incredibly OP, assuming it has no cooldown? Sure its on global and has energy cost, but EH can heal for incredible amounts with high vengeance, add in guard and you have a monk easily popping 150k non crit heals on himself whenever you want. Not hard to manage to have enough health to not be one shot but still dip below 35% and since you can time the first EH easily after boss swing, you always get two of them per cooldown reset.
40 Energy is not a trivial cost. Also, if you're getting a 150k non-crit heal, chances are you will go above 35% rather quickly.

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Old 11/28/12, 12:37 AM   #382
Mackeyser
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With the changes to Tiger Palm for Brewmaster in 5.1, is anyone familiar with a change to Guard? I did not read anything that would materially change Guard so unless I just missed it some patch note, I don't understand why once I hit Tiger Palm once and get Tiger Power (as opposed to having to stack it 3 times), in conjunction with 2 chi I don't see an empowered border around the Guard button. I know it's not an addon issue as before I found the new Tao, I was tanking something and couldn't see how much stagger I was running and I saw my Purifying Brew border light up.

Thankfully, Brewmaster Tao was updated so I can keep track of my running stagger amount.

If Guard has changed, I'll just adapt, but that's a big change to not have read anyone say anything about it here or on other forums.

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Old 11/28/12, 11:11 AM   #383
Netukka
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Originally Posted by Edalia View Post
40 Energy is not a trivial cost. Also, if you're getting a 150k non-crit heal, chances are you will go above 35% rather quickly.
Obviously not and Im not saying you can suddenly just drop all tank healing done ever on monk. But take a boss like Empress for example. Hits hard, but with a slow swing timer and very predictable damage. Forgo using that one jab, EH straight after boss swings and again when you have enough energy. With some haste + new Ascension, 14, maybe even 15 energy/sec isnt hard to achieve either.

And regarding guard, a single tiger palm gives a single stack of Power Guard, but the stack provides 15% increased effect. The skill doesnt light up anymore on hotbars though.

Last edited by Netukka : 11/28/12 at 11:19 AM.

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Old 11/28/12, 12:57 PM   #384
lairpie
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I think they probably felt that monks were rarely ever going to go 30 seconds without using tiger palm even once, so lighting up the guard button to show you have a buff you should always have was silly. Previously it was quite possible in aoe situations (consuming more cast time time by replacing jab with SCK) to use guard, consuming power guard, then over the next 30 seconds, use tiger palm only once to refresh the arpen buff, which would mean you wouldn't have 3 stacks of power guard up for your next guard. Now the only way you could fail to have power guard up is if you didn't have the arpen buff up at all.

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Old 11/28/12, 1:14 PM   #385
Imabunneh
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So I had 2 questions I wanted to check, and if the lovely people here could help I would much appreciate it!

First off I cannot find any hard information on this anywhere, but assuming I have an enchant choice between Windsong and Colossus for enchanting (I'm not using the Sha Crystal one til I have a proper good weapon), which is actually better (especially with their revised PPMs)? At the moment I'm running Double Windsong since I thought the low absorb amount on Colossus wasn't worth it, but I see a lot of people running Colossus.


Secondly, I'm getting my Relic of Xuen when the Faire opens this Friday. I can't find stat weightings for trinkets anywhere (and my maths is atrocious), but should it be replacing Searing Words (hc) or the Zen Alchemist Stone (since that got it's iLevel bumped)?

Thanks in advance <3

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Old 11/28/12, 7:03 PM   #386
Mackeyser
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Gnomeregan
Originally Posted by lairpie View Post
I think they probably felt that monks were rarely ever going to go 30 seconds without using tiger palm even once, so lighting up the guard button to show you have a buff you should always have was silly. Previously it was quite possible in aoe situations (consuming more cast time time by replacing jab with SCK) to use guard, consuming power guard, then over the next 30 seconds, use tiger palm only once to refresh the arpen buff, which would mean you wouldn't have 3 stacks of power guard up for your next guard. Now the only way you could fail to have power guard up is if you didn't have the arpen buff up at all.
I actually see your point and am fine with that if that's how Blizz is going to do Guard going forward. However, there is still the binary state of Guard, isn't there?

I mean, if a BM pulls a mob and hits Guard right off, it's not empowered. However, if he hits Tiger Palm and thus gets his full Tiger Power buff, then it is empowered.

My point is that there's no way to SEE if it's empowered or not. Moreover, I saw nothing that stated or inferred from Blizz that simply having the Tiger Power buff in its current state created the de facto empowered Guard in 5.1 without any UI element or notification of any kind.

If that's the case, then okay. Needtoknow shows Tiger Power now, so I can see when I have the buff and thus will just take it for granted that ALL Guard applications are empowered if I have the Tiger Power buff.

I have just felt uncomfortable taking that for granted since I'd seen nothing written about the change and I really wanted to know for certain.

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Old 11/28/12, 8:12 PM   #387
Astrylian
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Originally Posted by Mackeyser View Post
I actually see your point and am fine with that if that's how Blizz is going to do Guard going forward. However, there is still the binary state of Guard, isn't there?

I mean, if a BM pulls a mob and hits Guard right off, it's not empowered. However, if he hits Tiger Palm and thus gets his full Tiger Power buff, then it is empowered.

My point is that there's no way to SEE if it's empowered or not. Moreover, I saw nothing that stated or inferred from Blizz that simply having the Tiger Power buff in its current state created the de facto empowered Guard in 5.1 without any UI element or notification of any kind.

If that's the case, then okay. Needtoknow shows Tiger Power now, so I can see when I have the buff and thus will just take it for granted that ALL Guard applications are empowered if I have the Tiger Power buff.

I have just felt uncomfortable taking that for granted since I'd seen nothing written about the change and I really wanted to know for certain.
Not sure what you're talking about. The Power Guard buff is still there. There's just a bug that it doesn't "light up" your Guard button.

Rawr!

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Old 11/29/12, 12:26 AM   #388
md096
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Ysera
5.1 Bugs

Anyone having issues with:

Dampen Harm getting consumed by low level (any level) Stagger ticks? Or any damage well below 20% of health?

Xuen on Garalon legs, attacking leg once or twice and then leaping to the back of the boss and doing nothing and despawning?

Thanks.

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Old 11/29/12, 5:25 AM   #389
Ohdamn
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Yes Dampen Harm is basically consumed instantly at the moment..
And yes xuen did about 7 hit during the whole bossfight

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Old 11/29/12, 7:49 AM   #390
fennie
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Nagrand (EU)
Let's make this first post a decent one, the aftermath of 5.1

As the above posted stated I've noticed the Dampen Harm bug, stagger appears to be removing it making it an interesting ability to use right now.

Xeun - Again, it's been noticed she? He? Has some weird behaviors, I tend to taunt a target and she'll go back to attacking it.

The Dancing Steel change - It appears Dancing Steel when DWing will overwrite the previous buff, now this looked like it could happen at anytime. The question I put forward is, is it worth to use Dancing Steel + Windsong/Colossus?

Something else which I also noticed last night was the ability to live on 1hp. I'm not sure if they've changed something here, but quite a few times where I -should- of died I survived on 1hp. Has it been fixed where Stagger damage can no longer kill you?

As it's been noticed the 4pc from tier currently buffs the guard provided to your raid. Does Power Guard also do the same?

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