Yeah was talking about when you're DPSing the actual body of Garalon, and Sha + Tsulong was if anyone had beta experienced and tested that out. I did some napkin math about our 4-set as well, in my current gear it's about a 2.5k-4k dps increase, does that seem reasonable? Given those numbers, I'm assuming other classes' set bonuses are better and I will be passing them to an elemental shaman, resto shaman, hunter and fury warrior.

I've checked the set bonuses in SimulationCraft a few days ago, using the BiS 2H profile on a tank and spank. I don't have the exact numbers in front of me, but the gear itself with bonuses deactivated gave around 104300 dps. Enabling 2-set bumped that by a whopping 300 dps, the 4-set (without the 2-set increase) was about 1600 dps increase. Didn't check a DW setup, but it should be similar.

With even a single rogue in a 10 man, most of your damagers shouldn't attack the legs at all other than right at the beginning to slow it. Anytime you don't have a leg up for a rogue to bladeflurry from, your group is basically throwing away free damage for a completely unneeded slight slow. For that reason, yes it's definitely good to SFB the body as a monk damager would likely be on the body the majority of the fight (unless you don't have a dps warrior or rogue).

We don't have a rogue in our group, but our warrior just got his HC Starshatter (he has double HC Elegon axes) so I'm guessing he's going arms for Garalon HC progress, will that be enough to kill the legs or should any other player help out on them?

A few small things I've picked up over the past few weeks I thought I'd share with you. I'm sure some of you already know of some of this. I've "discovered" all these things on my own, and I haven't heard of anyone else talking about it or even seen it when doing a few quick google searches, but that oviously doesn't mean I'm the first person to discover it. Either way I just wanted to share my findings.

1) When you get a tiger strikes proc you can force the 4 charges to only be spent on main hand attacks by spamming a macro that has /stopattack /startattack in it, you will lose your offhand attacks while you spam this macro, but the added damage from only getting MH tiger strikes procs should make up for that, and then some, right?

2) The Deadly Reach talent has a "hidden" bonus, it increases the range of your roll/chi torpedo by quite a noticable distance.

3) You can control your movement DURING a roll/flying serpent kick/chi torpedo by enabling Click-to-move in the interface options. I find it annoying to have this enabled at all times though so I wrote a small addon that simply enables click to move when you use roll/chi torpedo/flying serpent kick and then disables it as the spell is done. You can download the addon from here if you're interested: http://download.local.se/ControlledRoll-0.1.zip

Any ideas on geting rid of H Stoneflesh Legs to get the 2 pc, I'm quite a bit over the haste point where FoF is only getting 4 hits instead of 5.

I'm still unsure if using FoF without the full 5 hits is worth it, seems like ~2 crits with it makes it worth the chi, but I'm not sure. Anyone else have any input?\

Not sure if the sim is compensating for getting 4 over 5 hits.

They even updated the sim to 5.0.5 about 32 hours ago, yet there's no monk changes listed. Going through the issues wiki, I found this, where someone brought up that FoF was only doing 4 ticks of damage in the beta while the sim was doing 5 ticks. It was closed on 9/6/12, reported as "fixed". Perhaps someone could run a sim and check the actual log of it and see if it still does 5 or 4 ticks.

There's been a rather large uproar in the various forums about our 2p bonus being worth a very minute damage difference where it's not even worth it.

Yea that was my assumption, especially since being Orc and currently having the worst luck in the world with getting fist weapons, the Exp. on the Stoneflesh Leggings is a godsend.

Thanks for the input.

The general consensus is that FoF is a 3% dps increase having sim'd both with and without FoF. Honestly, if you're not using FoF, you are lowering your damage output. Using the first person on 25H Elegon (172,327 dps), a 3% dps difference is only 5020 dps. But 5k dps is a 2m damage difference for an 8 minute fight.

Is this consensus with the missing 5th tick, and even 4th tick when BL/Hero is up?

I'm currently not using FoF, nor are several other people on the Heroic Garajal leaderboards. Managed to pull 96k on Garajal with my old 489 polearm. Stacking CDs has a lot more of a factor on your rotation than not using FoF will. At my haste level I was getting 3 ticks during hero/haste trinket so I can hardly find it worth using.

With heroic encounters being the way they are, and requiring the amount of awareness that they do, until FoF is actually fixed, I would recommend not using it. Even on a fight like Garajal it can cause more harm than good.

Now there might be a case for dropping a bunch of haste for crit to guarantee you the 5 hits and see how that works. But I would need someone who was good at stat weights to figure that out. I've noticed a couple WWs doing just that. But it doesn't really reflect much of a change in their damage.