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Old 11/29/12, 4:26 AM   #391
fr0d0b0ls0n
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I checked our logs from yesterday, and the Dancing Steel uptime goes from 57% to 75.4% or so with double enchant. Even if it doesn't stack, an extra ~18% uptime with 1650 AGI is better than 1500 haste/crit/mastery with ~38% uptime.

Also I'm running around 6250 haste, and I feel I can do better with less haste. Waiting for the new simulations so I can confirm it.

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Old 11/29/12, 9:16 AM   #392
Eyedore
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With 5920 crit and 4264 haste and the new ascension talent I tried LFR terrace and found that I rarely had a shortage of energy. With FoF fixed I'm using it on cooldown now, which help to that acount.

This is just a first impression, I don't have data to back it up, or actually check if crit > haste

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Old 11/29/12, 9:57 AM   #393
Kiante
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I'm running around 6600 haste atm (1100 mastery) and it feels fairly good to play. I had a few issues earlier in the week at 7k but at the moment i still get a little capped on lust-first pulls but otherwise i think with a bit more experience i wont be wasting anything at this energy level. Once i get 2 and 4 piece it'll change I think and honestly i can see myself dropping to ~6k haste with double duration brew and lower cd on FOF. anything under 6k feels kinda sluggish imo

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Old 11/29/12, 10:40 AM   #394
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reforged completely to Crit > Haste.

current stats are
haste 3.7k
crit 6k

Energy per sec 12.50
2pc t14

i don't have a problem with energy regen at all, i can now use EB on cd without a problem of capping, im keeping FoF above prio on RSK as long the 15% damage increase buff is up. as far as i can say the rotation/priority seems to work well, haven't done any raid testing yet, but will get some logs up tonight to see how its going.

it does seem like we want to be going Crit > Haste for sure though. jus need to wait until simcraft is updated for clarification though.

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Old 11/29/12, 11:50 AM   #395
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Originally Posted by Mihir View Post
Heroic Elegon trinket should be a good contender as wel.
All sims i've done show terror as a higher DPS trinket, so heroic terror would be a better bet

I'm planning on running some trinket comparisons once we iron out the BiS profile, as i've said. I've got quite a few brewmasters bugging me to add tanking into the module but i'll get this WW stuff ironed out first before i go down that route.

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Old 11/29/12, 12:24 PM   #396
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One thing to keep in mind at this point is we are probably going to want to have two reforging profiles. One for fights where you can use Fists of Fury, and one for fights you can't.

Fights you can use Fists of Fury (Less Haste)
- Feng
- Gara'jal
- Elegon
- Imperial Vizier
- Blade Lord Ta'yak
- Tsulong
- Lei Shi
- Shek'zeer

Fights you can't use Fists of Fury (More Haste)
- Stone Guards
- Spirit Kings
- Will of the Emperor
- Garalon
- Wind Lord Mel'jarak
- Amber Shaper
- Protectors of the Endless
- Sha of Fear (in the Dread Expanse)

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Old 11/29/12, 12:27 PM   #397
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Originally Posted by Eeinx View Post
All sims i've done show terror as a higher DPS trinket, so heroic terror would be a better bet
Keep in mind, though, that a lot more players have access to the heroic Bottle than heroic Terror at the moment, and both trinkets are BiS, so you will be upgrading both of them anyway.

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Old 11/29/12, 1:12 PM   #398
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Just I got my 4pc tier set the other night (not on all optimal pieces) but just for fun I thought I'd try it out... I can't even come close to using all that energy. With almost 6600 haste and 4pc and FoF I'm spending a lot of time near or at energy cap... And when I hit energizing brew I can't keep up with energy regeneration rate.

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Old 11/29/12, 3:40 PM   #399
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Originally Posted by Moozhe View Post
One thing to keep in mind at this point is we are probably going to want to have two reforging profiles. One for fights where you can use Fists of Fury, and one for fights you can't.

Fights you can use Fists of Fury (Less Haste)
- Feng
- Gara'jal
- Elegon
- Imperial Vizier
- Blade Lord Ta'yak
- Tsulong
- Lei Shi
- Shek'zeer

Fights you can't use Fists of Fury (More Haste)
- Stone Guards
- Spirit Kings
- Will of the Emperor
- Garalon
- Wind Lord Mel'jarak
- Amber Shaper
- Protectors of the Endless
- Sha of Fear (in the Dread Expanse)
This is under the assumption that not using fists of fury with on CD isn't a DPS gain over not using it at all. Thats things i'd like to check.

We've done quite a few module fixes and changes and we can't quite nail down whether crit > haste or haste > crit; as it seems like the values fluxuate across the board. What we've basically noticed is that Crit = haste and haste > crit is a dps loss to crit > haste in all cases; but thats for FoF right now. We'll likely need alot more help with profile checks in the newest version of SimC once we alter the profile a bit more

EDIT: i'll likely try things like artificially doubling the cooldown to see what kind of results we get. We could also make FoF use only on stricter terms; But the main fight is for max dps, and it currentlys stands for simulation that FoF on CD will always equate to a higher damage profile.

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Old 11/29/12, 4:55 PM   #400
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we need nerfing, havent got any logs, but jesus i dont know if its the bug fix, going crit or 5.1 upgrades, but ive gone from mid tier dps, to the top by like a mile

edit, sorry not a very contructive post, when we get to a boss thats worth logging will link some on here

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Old 11/29/12, 5:25 PM   #401
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Originally Posted by Littch View Post
we need nerfing, havent got any logs, but jesus i dont know if its the bug fix, going crit or 5.1 upgrades, but ive gone from mid tier dps, to the top by like a mile

edit, sorry not a very contructive post, when we get to a boss thats worth logging will link some on here
You could just be better than your other raid members.

Monks are high single target like they were meant to be, since they dont have any legitimate full time cleave.

They are actually in a really good spot right now and dont really need any changes.
Before the profiles were overwritten in the simc website update, monks were 123k (i think?) in our list?

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Old 11/29/12, 5:42 PM   #402
Saltycracker
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Whisperwind
Here is a copy of my Weapon Comparison spreadsheet using stat weights. Curious how sims will show how Dancing Steel /Dancing Steel vs. Dancing Steel/Windsong will look like. Ultimately 2 weapon enchants are better than one when comparing Dual Wield and 2Hander weapon preference.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/...nc0N2JpYkxIQkE

If you want to play with the stat weights, just make a copy of the spreadsheet for your own sandbox.

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Old 11/29/12, 10:59 PM   #403
Kiante
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Originally Posted by Crevan View Post
Keep in mind, though, that a lot more players have access to the heroic Bottle than heroic Terror at the moment, and both trinkets are BiS, so you will be upgrading both of them anyway.
I was under the impression that DMC trinket + terror in the mists heroic was our BIS trinket combination

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Old 11/30/12, 2:58 AM   #404
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~Delete~

Last edited by fr0d0b0ls0n : 11/30/12 at 8:16 AM.

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Old 11/30/12, 7:47 AM   #405
Crevan
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Bottle of Infinite Stars has an average uptime of 42%-43%, heroic proc is 3653 agility, for an average of 1552.5 agility. Relic has 956 static agility and a 3027 proc with an uptime of around 26%, for a total of 1743 averaged agility. Now the question is, is 190.5 agility better than 731 mastery and 487 crit or haste (your choice)? Let's assume that agility is 3 times better than crit/haste and 4 times better than mastery (they are not actually that bad, according to my latest pre-5.1 sims), for a score of 731/4 + 487/3 ~= 344 > 190.5.

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