A lot of this is true, but you still have to account into resource capping. Crit still seems to retain its value in early testing, as well as haste holding its conditional value. Haste value will change pending encounter as well. Already common sense, but on a patchwerk fight youll spend much more time with your feet planted to the ground dpsing, thus increasing the energy regen needed to stay capped. On more movement intensive fights bonuses to the damage dealt when you can dps will be more beneficial thus crit and the revamped mastery will be of greater benefit. As it stands now stat weights seem to have been buffed, but priority hasnt been changed much. Haste to your soft cap will still be top stat priority. Another question Ive considered is holding as close to 100% uptime on TEB as possible. Since the duration is 15 seconds despite the amount of stacks used, a greater uptime with the flat bonuses provided by our mastery values would possibly bring a greater increase by using TEB as soon as the buff fades. With only 1% damage buff per stack, it would seem like having down time to increase the benefit marginally would be a greater loss than having a slightly lower buff for a greater uptime. Id be curious to see any numbers on that idea ironed out by those better at math than I

Those calculations are additive and not multiplicative though.

Say without using TeB in your rotation you have 100k dps sustained.

Now with the addition of 10 stack tigereye you gain 50% increased damage @ a 6/10 uptime. So a "static" 30% damage increase, putting you at 130k sustained.


1% total damage @ 6/10 uptime = 0.6% damage (of base 100k) per 300 mastery.

0.6% of 100k is 600 dps, 600 dps from 130k sustained is a 0.46% static damage increase per 300 mastery

Using those rough numbers, you can see that you're going to want a balance between mastery and crit/haste since as your base damage (modified by AP, Agi, Haste and Crit) increases, your dpp for mastery is also going to be raised.

Yea I made the mistake of adding in the flat damage buff for the full 10 stack value that mastery will buff when I did my quick run through on the math to the single stack base value. Since we only get the 1%/300 at 10 stacks instead of flat like I had, the only time I could actually see delaying a full 10 stack usage would be to line up cd usage which actually shouldnt be a problem with our ability to pool stacks past 10 then use them consecutively.

Has anyone made a more recent list of trinkets and their rankings? What is the soft cap for haste as well? I seem to remember reading 6800 or so but I can't find it now.

Update on my old trinket list:

I ran SimulationCraft 510-8 to get scale values for the simc monk 1h normal mode and heroic mode profiles:

Normal mode gear Monk dual wield (crit: 6081, haste: 4047):
agi: 3.12
AP: 1.09
crit: 1.32
haste: 1.68
mastery: 0.86

trinket	from	description	icd	proc%	procs every	score
[Bottle of Infinite Stars]	heroic	mastery, agility proc	45	15	48.34	6146
[Terror in the Mists]	heroic	agility, crit proc	105	15	108.34	5953
[Bottle of Infinite Stars]	normal	mastery, agility proc	45	15	48.34	5445
[Relic of Xuen]	darkmoon card	agility, agility proc	55	20	63.06	5303
[Terror in the Mists]	normal	agility, crit proc	105	15	108.34	5275
[Arrowflight Medallion]	5.1 rep	agility, crit use	60	-	-	4861
[Bottle of Infinite Stars]	lfr	mastery, agility proc	45	15	48.34	4823
[Terror in the Mists]	lfr	agility, crit proc	105	15	108.34	4675
[Hawkmaster's Talon]	valor points	agility, haste use	60	-	-	4876
[Jade Bandit Figurine]	normal	agility, haste use	60	-	-	4876

Heroic mode gear Monk dual wield (crit: 8035, haste: 3691):
agi: 3.43
AP: 1.20
crit: 1.49
haste: 1.63
mastery: 0.73

trinket	from	description	icd	proc%	procs every	score
[Bottle of Infinite Stars]	heroic	mastery, agility proc	45	15	48.34	6494
[Terror in the Mists]	heroic	agility, crit proc	105	15	108.34	6600
[Bottle of Infinite Stars]	normal	mastery, agility proc	45	15	48.34	5752
[Relic of Xuen]	darkmoon card	agility, agility proc	55	20	63.06	5829
[Terror in the Mists]	normal	agility, crit proc	105	15	108.34	5848
[Arrowflight Medallion]	5.1 rep	agility, crit use	60	-	-	5381
[Bottle of Infinite Stars]	lfr	mastery, agility proc	45	15	48.34	5095
[Terror in the Mists]	lfr	agility, crit proc	105	15	108.34	5183
[Hawkmaster's Talon]	valor points	agility, haste use	60	-	-	5166
[Jade Bandit Figurine]	normal	agility, haste use	60	-	-	5166

There are a couple of things to consider here:
First of all the simc monk profiles might be outdated, they go for full crit while you might want some more haste (I am personally also going for full crit atm).
The VP and trash drop trinkets with haste on use seem to be good on paper, but ask yourself if you can really use them on cooldown without energy capping.

On normal mode it really comes down to choosing two out of three trinkets: Bottle/Terror/Relic.
The Bottle procs alot but has the base mastery as drawback. The Terror doesnt proc very often and does not proc agi, but has a nice amount of agi as base. Relic is sort of in between that, but has agi as base stat and as proc.

Any feedback is appreciated and I will try to update this list of needed.

I created an excel spreadsheet that lists all of the trinkets and their upgrade counterparts. All you have to do is put your stat weights in the Green cells for WW and Blue for BrM. Go to either the Tank or DPS trinkets, pick your reforge option and then hit Sort. It will sort the list based on the Value Highest>Lowest.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/osh5xm99y2o8xtb/Trinkets.xlsm

So "generally" you should be looking at 6378-8504 haste if you take Ascension?

That just feels like a lot of haste to me.

No... I've been doing just fine at a nudge south of 4k haste. In fact, most of the monks I've seen who pull top parses are sitting at 4K, maybe 5K max (which, I have NEVER seen a top-end Windwalker go that high). After that, they go for pure crit. Note that I typically use Fists of Fury and Energizing Brew on CD.

The only time I am sitting at or above 6K is if I happen to be tanking that night - at which point I spec into Power Strikes since Ascension is just too much energy. And even then, I can see the difference in my damage haste stacked vs. crit stacked.

I should preface my question by mentioning that most of my observations are based on LFR with full buffs.

I keep hesitating to use FoF unless I am certain that I will not cap energy while doing so, which is very seldom for some reason. I keep reading that it should be used pretty much on cooldown so I wonder

1. Is it ok to cap energy during FoF?
2. Should it be used during Heroism/Bloodlust?
3. Is it worth using TEB for FoF?
4. Should FoF be used if it'll delay RSK by 1-2 seconds?
5. Is there a damage reduction mechanic for FoF depending on how far from the target you are? (I keep seeing some funny numbers on single target fights)

Any feedback is appreciated

Thanks

I did some calculations for capping energy, and delaying RSK during FoF:
Windwalker (DPS): a flurry of tender fisting.

I'm not a 100% sure that those calculations are perfect, so what I would suggest is to use FoF only if the cooldown left on RSK is more than 2-3 seconds, and you are below 80 energy ( in which case you will cap some energy).

2. I think you can use it during BL/Heroism (because FoF channel time will be shorter too), but you are less likely to find a good moment to do so.
3. yes.
5. If so I don't know about it and I haven't seen anything to suggest it.

Yea, I saw the same thing with my spreadsheet calculations when they posted the patch notes. Mastery scales exponentially, kind of like how Armor Penetration used to work. I'm sure that they are going to have to change the coefficient, or change the mastery a little before live. Right now it's a stronger stat than agility once you get enough of it.