bro sorry but i didnt understood. or its too early in the morning what do you mean chi brew, 7 ticks and 8 ticks?

Big updates to the calculator: Valen's Mistweaver Calulations

-Recent hotfixes included
-You can now factor in damage bonuses for fights like Elegon and Wind Lord.
-You can now have healing for spells that do not interrupt auto-attack include the healing done by auto-attack while casting, so you can see the relative benefits of being in melee and maintaining SZ.
-Relative regen values of the three T45 talents, as well as Arcane Torrent, are now displayed. You can vary fight length/tea stacks used for calculating Ascension.

Unless I've missed something significant in the blue posting, the intent is for melee healing to be a viable choice (note I said viable, not optimal). To me, this is not the same as "melee healing only if you significantly overgear content or have a particularly favorable boss mechanic." Whether or not Blizzard's intent for the spec lines up with reality, they have expressed that this should be a possibility.

Your final paragraph points to the reason I am trying to initiate a more serious and focused dialogue about melee healing. I think it is important to make the distinction and collect the information in a format that is more accessible. As it stands, we have a lot of discussion focused on what the top progression guilds are doing. It seems that most people are playing this new class of healer very closely to the old standard (with some concessions made for the sake of optimal chi generation). There are many who seem open to something more, but rather than take a wait and see approach ("maybe someday someone will make it work"), I'm going to actively pursue this with theory and math, and hopefully I won't be going that path alone.

I understand (from an outside perspective) the pressures of progression-focused guilds, and how easily logs and statistics can become sacred cows, but it's a dangerous trap to be falling into so early in the life of this new class. Those who encourage taking the middle path are missing something important. Without hard theory work done on the melee side, there's no middle, it's just the center (old school ranged) and combination style, just barely to the left.

You are actually for real with this whole new thread thing? I mean you are not even 90, have no raid experience that I can tell, and you are just asuming no one has ever tried it, and the full potential is yet to be found out somehow. Sorry to burst your bubble but plenty of people have tried it, as it really isn't rocket sience. Damage is ok, healing is rather weak when compared to what you could consider standard healing. It's pretty good mechanic that can (or even should) be used under certain circumstances, but other than that, there's not a whole lot to talk about really.

Fistweaving is perfectly viable on progression content as a supplement to healing focused around instant spells (ie ReM/Uplift/CW.) If the healing you're doing is tank healing or raid-stacked-in-one-spot-and-getting-facefucked-in-glorious-unison healing fisting is bad because you can't punch while channeling soothing or spin2win, but in all other circumstances being in melee and maintaining SZ and possibly also TP is the optimal solution.

It goes off of your total mana, so effects that increase that will also increase mana tea return.

Note that the level of chi usage required to generate enough tea stacks for Ascension and the 2% mana meta to beat their competition (PS and the spirit/crit meta) is effectively impossible. But you only need to generate and use an average of 1 tea charge every ~15 seconds for the gnome racial to be better than the panda racial (as well as the human one, since they have roughly the same benefit at currently reachable levels of spirit.)

With the recent mana mega nerfs I really recommend using Chi Torpedo.

Not on all fights obviously, but if you can make it work it's really good. The healing amount is good now, and it's free healing at a pretty good cooldown. There are a couple tricks when using it. The old /walk thing doesn't work anymore, but you can still jump right after casting Chi Torpedo which makes you spin in the air and allows you to heal without shooting off completely.

Chi Torpedo was at up to 10-14% for me recently, on fights that allowed good usage.

Chi Torpedo is still a viable talent for phases on the move, but they disabled the possibility to use / to roll without moving, and it's not viable in most places. However simply using ReM off cd and using soothing for most chi building, is something that works fine in 5.1


Have a greater look at the human racial, he's not refering to Every Man For Himself.

I think you are a step behind us. Assuming fight length 7 minutes and 25 stacks of Mana Tea consumed, Expansive Mind with Ascension will net you an extra 120k mana. Over the same period, however, 300 Spirit will give you 126k mana even without Ascension, so Pandaren and Human are superior if you can use 300 Spirit food or hit 10k spirit base (without Human Spirit), respectively. Human obviously scales better past 10k spirit, but also has Every Man for Himself, which is useful on a handful of bosses this tier, returning me to my question:

So, doesn't Every Man For Himself, in its limited usage in raiding, make the difference over Pandaren, with Gnome following third?

Only using 25 stacks in 7 minutes is an extremely low level of chi usage, though- it means you're only spending 1 chi every 4.2 seconds. 40 stacks (1 chi every 2.625 seconds) is a more realistic value, which makes the gnome racial (with or without ascension) far and away better than the human or panda ones for regen.

If you want a CC break, you'll probably lose less mp5 for the same gain by wearing a PvP trinket rather than race changing from gnome to human.

Yeah, I should probably fix that. I think I was basing tea usage off of a pre-mana nerf fight where I'd end with 10+ stacks.

Crit double happens on stack generation, not use, so you should use it on cooldown (as long as it won't "overheal" your mana bar) just as you always have.