Mistweaver Healing Compendium - Page 18

Sonrisa · 01/23/13, 9:52 PM

Originally Posted by Mopatop

Arcane mages pop alter time once they get to 6 stacks + 2 AM procs, so you want to be putting it on them about 9 seconds into the fight. I think this is a difficult window to aim for.

I understand this wasn't clear on my original post, but after further testing, as long as they have the ReM Buff it will refresh itself to 3 stacks when they travel back in time, no matter how many stacks they had left when cast. ReM lasts for 18 so it doesn't make a differrence, and as I said the important thing is that they have the buff before they cast Alter Time. If you have 2 mages casting on one 2-3 seconds before the pull and on the other one inmediately after (5-6 seconds into the pull), you can get it on both before they use Alter Time and get the extra ReMs.

• Hamlet · 01/24/13, 2:07 AM

The odd thing about this is that BoK and TP just aren't that much healing anyway. BoK (ignoring Serpent's Zeal, say it's already up and we're talking about extra BoKs) is terribly inefficient on its own. Even if BoK healing is tripled, you have to be in a poor Uplift situation (i.e. Uplift would be mostly overheal and going remain mostly overheal for as long as you can pool Chi) to consider spending any Chi on BoK beyond what you need to for SZ. Same for TP and Tiger Power. Look at the current numbers for BoK in the calc and extrapolate from there--even with these buffs, it's no Penance.

So it's a little misleading to talk about HPM of Jab or EH since you're not using those spells for healing. You're likely going to be using BoK and TP twice a minute for buffs, EH 4 times a minute for cheap Chi, and that still leaves ample time to arrange things so you're preceding each BoK/TP with a Jab for a little extra efficiency.

I went about this is kind of a roundabout way. Short version is, EH is a very cheap Chi with a cooldown and you're not going to be using BoK and TP so often that you can't power each one with Jab while also taking advantage of that cheap Chi. That's true even if I'm wrong and BoK/TP turn out to be so strong that you start favoring them over ReM/Uplift even beyond what you need to keep their buffs up.

Spleener · 01/24/13, 7:19 AM

Yeah, Uplift is still going to be better in a situation where it works well, but a semi-spammable mostly-dumb heal *should* be better than a semi-spammable smart heal. With the T30s no longer costing chi your only chi spenders when fistweaving are uplift, TP, and BoK, so you'll Uplift when your ReM targets are low enough and TP/BoK when non-ReM'd targets need the healing.

Drezion · 01/24/13, 8:45 PM

Ghostcrawler recently posted that Xuen was not going to be part of the nerf to Eminence and was going to remain at 50%

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sarkxd · 01/25/13, 4:05 AM

I have many doubts about BiS for monk, many people do not complete the 4 piece bonus is really insignificant 5% of the enveloping mist? and could someone please put your BiS list? also like to know if anyone knows the correct "weights" for monk and thereby able to calculate the BiS

Zaelid · 01/25/13, 8:00 AM

Originally Posted by Drezion

Ghostcrawler recently posted that Xuen was not going to be part of the nerf to Eminence and was going to remain at 50%

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That answer seems terribly ambiguous. I was under the impression that with statue up Xuen currently heals for 100% of damage done, what the heck does "still 50%" mean?!

Drezion · 01/25/13, 8:19 AM

I can only imagine that he meant it was going to remain at 50% for each portion of the healing (You + statue) as he said that Xuen was not going to be nerfed. We'll have to see if he goes into more detail or if someone who is on the PTR gets some testing done.

Spleener · 01/26/13, 1:42 PM

Originally Posted by sarkxd

I have many doubts about BiS for monk, many people do not complete the 4 piece bonus is really insignificant 5% of the enveloping mist? and could someone please put your BiS list? also like to know if anyone knows the correct "weights" for monk and thereby able to calculate the BiS

Yeah, 4T14 is pretty weak, don't bother going for it.

As a general rule the priority is 509 spi/crit or spi/haste > 502 spi/crit or spi/haste > 509 spi/mas.

Going off that priority, most of your slot choices are no-brainers. The only ones that are up for debate are head (Feng's lower ilvl spi/haste piece vs. Blade Lord's higher-ilvl crit/haste piece, meanwhile tier is arguably competitive because despite being spi/mas it has a fuckload of spirit,) gloves (Vizier and tier are basically interchangeable,) and weapon (Lei Shi's staff vs. Empress mace + Feng OH.)

Sasazuka · 01/30/13, 5:51 PM

Tiger Palm damage increased by 100% and restores 1% of max mana.

See Patch 5.2 PTR and Patch Notes - January 25 - MMO-Champion BlueTracker.

Antoine · 02/05/13, 2:09 PM

Some pretty interesting changes in the most recent patch notes.

Level 30 talent scaling was all reworked. Chi Wave buff, Zen Sphere and Chi Burst nerf (some of this was tooltips catching up to changes)
Life Cocoon scaling doubled, from 550% SP to 1100%. Still not great for the cooldown, I think.
No additional Serpents Zeal nerf that I could tell. Possible change from 2, 12.5% stacks to 1 25% stack.
Possible Healing Sphere change, likely MMO-Champ spell confusion.

None of this was in the official patch note changes, so take it with a grain of salt.

dracjin · 02/06/13, 3:43 AM

Originally Posted by Antoine

Some pretty interesting changes in the most recent patch notes.

Level 30 talent scaling was all reworked. Chi Wave buff, Zen Sphere and Chi Burst nerf (some of this was tooltips catching up to changes)

Chi Wave remains unchanged (only tooltip change).
EDIT: After Looking at the ptr: chi wave although take a 60% nerf in healing.

Chi Burst got a 16% heal nerf, but a 150% damage buff.

Zensphere got a 60% heal nerf, but a damage (dot 20% detonate 40%) buff.

No good news for us.

krazyito65 · 02/14/13, 4:13 PM

Is the loss of 2700 crit worth losing to get the next haste break point (27.76%, 6142) for ReM?

sarkxd · 02/16/13, 5:52 AM

with all changes to fistweaving I have several questions, the first and most important is whether the new proc Muscle Memory is better than Mistweaver in 10/25? another question I have is, as you see the glyph of uplift due to the increase of the jab mana? tiger palm spamming is profitable and keep up serpent's zeal buff? I tested with my guild the fistweaving in r10 and the heals of eminence are not really significant and increasing the jab mana makes me wonder about how to heal. It is true that the increase in dps with muscle memory is good, but ... it's really better fistweaving?

Mercurii · 02/16/13, 11:52 AM

Any math on how 1h + oh vs staff affects the value of the new trinket procs? Does the extra 40% attack speed from a staff affect the proc rates at all given they are on a RPPM chance now?

• Hamlet · 02/16/13, 8:24 PM

Originally Posted by Mercurii

Any math on how 1h + oh vs staff affects the value of the new trinket procs? Does the extra 40% attack speed from a staff affect the proc rates at all given they are on a RPPM chance now?

Oh, that's interesting. It shouldn't affect it, clearly, for balance reasons. But normally melee attack speed buffs (e.g. Unholy Aura) do affect it, so probably needs to be tested.