Isn't agility = AP+crit? That AP inherited by SEF should include AP from agility procs. Of all our 5.2 trinkets, all save 2 are agility procs. 1 is a stacking haste buff and 1 is RoRO which improves our TEB, both affecting SEF. The fight gimmick damage increases are still interesting though. Hunters had these issues since day one, I don't mind having them for a while as well : )

We are getting a slight dps nerf, it seems - RSK buff is down to 10% according to GC. Since the buff affects all of our damage, that's gonna be a 5% overall nerf. As things stand right now, I don't really mind, we are probably the strongest ST melee spec, and might become even stronger in 5.2.

In the same post, there's a note about how WW, sub rogues and enha shamans are probably too powerful with good gear, but at the same time more difficult to play well. The devs are ok with that, but will be watching closely.

On MMO-Champion right now:

50% nerf to TEB, but it stacks slightly quicker

Isn't this where it already was?

I've seen on MMO champ ppl claiming that haste shouldnt go higher than 4-5k, i assume you are calling 20% haste the right choice by removing FoF from the roation ?

I'm pretty sure the amount of Haste you cap out at will change fight based and the use of FoF. I find that to be one of the nice things about the spec. If you know the fights and where there may be swaps or phase down time then you are probably more like to get away with a lower haste build.

I've been around 3.8-4k since the beginning of the month when I hit 90 and main swapped and I can't think of one T14 fight where higher than 4k haste was better. T15 seems to have a lot more fights where FoF might be hard to get into the rotation which would lead to the need of more haste.

Vizier is definitely one. You have to move a lot and hardly have time to channel that FoF.

You definetly can use more than 4k haste in lots of fights. Between 3.5 and 4k was what I was running with in Sha, with the 15% buff.

Swordguard Embroidery is a 4000 AP proc. not 8000, which could be expressed as ~1000 AP average.

Master of Anatomy for Skinning is 480 Crit, not 320 Crit.

Lifeblood can be expressed at ~480 Haste, not ~320 Haste, plus of course a minor heal.

And do not to larger amounts of secondary stats on gems, Blacksmithing may actually net a larger DPS gain than the simple 320 primary stat, due to having twice as much secondary stat, and the weighting on the secondary being more than half that of the primary.

Agreed; I typically save ~3 Chi so that at the end of the dance I can channel it - so it is even useful there. On the other hand, I do DPS while moving, which can make a difference. The scaling with haste makes FoF an even more desirable part of our rotation; currently, with 4K haste, I typically have just over a two second channel during Lust/Heroism. The 5.1 scaling fix I think was one of the best things to happen as far as that ability. I'll also look into the professions correction that V1R4G3 posted.

As far as higher values of haste - 4K has actually become a bit low for me. I've begun to look at going as high as 4.5, maybe even 5K. Perhaps it's just from the higher actions per minute (server change - went from 100MS to 20MS, so that could be why). The only fight I've found myself not energy starved (while using EB and FoF on CD) is Sha.

This weekend I intend to update the 5.2 draft. Except - it will be more pulling the 5.1 and solidifying the data that we already have. This includes overhauling stat priorities, a spreadsheet with leather drops, and the other noted changes (such as the RSK nerf, Deadly Reach, RoP information, et cetera).

I have always wondered about whether I could be gaining damage through the use of grapple weapon. I haven't really seen it discussed (forgive me if it has kindly link me!).

Here is a cross post from a post I made on the Blizzard US Monk forums ( Use Grapple Weapon in PvE? - Forums - World of Warcraft ):

In a normal scenario, it seems like using it (grapple weapon) would be a slight dps loss. You spend a second to get 15 seconds of +5% dps, so instead of doing damage = 15 seconds x DPS = 15xDPS you do damage = 14 seconds x DPS x 1.05 = 14.7xDPS. That a loss of 0.3xDPS damage.

However if you use it in a situation like right before heroic wind lord mel'jarak gains recklessness, theoretically you would go from damage = 1 second x DPS + 14 seconds x DPS x 7 = 99xDPS to 14 seconds x DPS x 7 x 1.05 = 102.9 DPS. That's a gain of 3.9xDPS damage.

More generally speaking, you could do it before every tigereye brew. Assuming a TEB damage increase modifier of +40%, you would go from doing 1+14x1.4= 20.6xDPS over that interval to doing 14x1.4x1.05=20.58xDPS instead. By dumb luck, that comes out to be very close to even (but a slight loss).

Being a bit more intelligent, you can estimate how much of a damage modifier you would need to justify using grapple weapon beforehand. 1+14*x=0+14*x*1.05, x=1/0.7= roughly you'd need to have about a 43% damage increase for it to be viable. Remember that just having that damage increase is not enough, you only begin to see a damage gain if you use grapple weapon before you actually get the damage increase.

The two big things I left out of my quick analysis was that your DPS during the GCD of using grapple weapon is nonzero. I should have put in a figure representing the fraction of your DPS that would come from autoattacks+tigerstrikes. Also I should have subtracted something to account for the damage loss incurred by spending 40 energy.

If that silly reorigination trinket actually becomes a thing, then with the absurd amounts of mastery we may have it looks like using grapple before tigereye may very well be a thing.

Does anyone have any thoughts on this topic?