I'm mostly gemming haste just to get to our first haste break-point; before that breakpoint a haste gem is worth more than an agi gem. The stat weight accounts for the haste-mastery interaction. A haste gem gives you 320 points, and an agi gem gives you 160 points. With the stat weights I am using:

4.5 Agi * 160 = 720 DPS

2.5 Haste * 320 = 800 DPS

Since you can't reforge primary stats i.e. trading off agi for haste, gemming is the best way to reach the haste breakpoint. I'm also a fan of gemming haste because that will allow you to pick up crit/mastery gear more easily, so that we dont' have to fight three stat caps.

To your second question, that may be 6 of one, half dozen of another. I think from a gemming perspective, yellow gems are worth more DPS than red gems until your cap. If you can reach your cap with yellow gems and still have some room leftover, then it makes sense to start filling in those gaps with agi.

Agi might be worth slightly more than mastery, but they are extremely close with high haste. You're not losing a noticeable amount of DPS on non-gimmick fights by going with the mastery instead. But on fights with gimmicks where you can exploit your mastery bonus I think mastery will win by a larger margin.

Agi vs mastery discussion won't really matter once we get Rune of Re-Origination. It will be secondary stats all the way.

Testing out Power Strikes tonight I noticed a weird behavior. You receive 2 uses on the pull via almost immediately receiving the power strikes buff again after using your first jab. Furthermore, the 20 sec cd of the talent seems to start based on when you actually receive the "power strikes" buff not when you use a jab that generates 3 chi.





Above examples are from log of LFR MSV while testing a few things found here Dashboard - 09-03 03:15 - Aftermath - World of Logs

I'm not sure how Power Strikes is currently being modeled and haven't seen any mention of the nearly double use on pull or the CD starting when the buff is gained and not actually used.
What I'm wondering is if it's not currently being modeled with this behavior what impact, if any, it could have on our dps to spec it possibly in favor of ascension and raising haste to 8k+? Thinking fights with possible periods of downtime (Mageara when head dies, Ji-Kun if flying, Iron Qon windstorm, Lei Shen)
If this is already how the sims model Power Strikes then forgive me and ignore this post, but I haven't seen much mentioned about it.

1. The haste comfort level as you call it will be different for each player, and even for each encounter. If you are very good at playing a monk and doing your rotation then you can get away with more haste. On boss fights where you can stand relatively still most of the time and don't have much downtime, you can benefit from more haste, while on boss fights with lots of movement / downtime less haste is probably better. If you have 'too much haste' and are capping energy that excess haste still won't be completely useless, it will still increase your melee swings and therefor tiger strikes.
2. I haven't done any testing towards that. But if you do not use tigereye brew on cd, you can make sure you use it during high damage. That can either be because you have both RsK and FoF off cd, and possibly because Energising brew is up, or because there is a phase in the fight where the boss takes extra damage / you don't have to move and target switch so much.
3. The proc from RoRO cannot be cancelled, so what you want to do is wait till the end of a RoRO proc (10 seconds), and just before it falls off hit your tigereye brew, so that during most of the 15 seconds you will have normal haste and mastery.


But couldn't you say the same for hit and expertise then? they also have caps and are worth alot before those caps. Following your argumentation it would be best to gem hit, then expertise, and then haste, as long as you don't exceed the cap of course.

Theoreticaly:
If you could gem a total of 7000 secondary stats (or 3500 primary) and you can also reforge a total of 7000, you can do two things:
gem full agi, meaning you get 3500 agility, and use reforging to get the 7000 haste, or;
gem full haste (7000), and use reforging to get 7000 mastery.

With the stat weights you are using, 3500 agility and 7000 haste is better than 7000 haste and 7000 mastery.

I don't mean to attack you btw, it's just that I'm not sure what to do gem- and reforge-wise myself, and I want to be sure

The results I'm getting from Simcraft seems to be opposite of the consensus regarding stat-weightings at the moment, I've tried running sim's with various different item-level sets as well as different levels of haste, but the results keep pointing to crit being a stronger stat than mastery.

Is the current WW-module broken in the recent release, is crit actually a stronger stat or what exactly is going on?

There was a bug with TEB tracking that caused the value of mastery to be inflated.

Crit is in fact better than mastery with possibly the exception of damage modified burst fights.

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On an unrelated note, while i'm working on the ShockAndAwe port for WW:

I'd like to set up an ability naming system similar to enhancement shamans for future use in the guide and the addon.

I'm just going to build a chart and we can brutalize it as necessary.

Priority	Abbreviation	Meaning
1	RSK_DB	Rising Sun Kick if no debuff
2	TP_DB	Tiger Palm if tiger power has less than or equal to 3s remaining
3	TEB	Tigereye Brew if no TEB buff exists
4	EB	EB if energy time to max is greater than 5s
5	XUEN/RJW	Xuen/RJW if talent is enabled
6	BOK_CB_CAP	Spend BOK combo breaker if energy time to max is less than or equal to 2s.
7	RSK	Rising Sun Kick
8	FOF	Fists of Fury if energy time to max and tiger power buff are greater than 4s
9	BOK_CB	Blackout Kick Combo breaker
10	TP	Tiger Palm if energy time to max is greater or equal to 2s or tp combo breaker buff has less than or equal to 2s remaining
11	CW	Chi wave if enabled and energy time to max is greater than 2s
12	JAB	Jab if chi is less than or equal to 3 (ascension enabled) or less than or equal to 2 (ascension disabled)
13	BOK	Blackout kick

Let me know if you have a better explanation or suggestion. I basically took the simc profile and put it into text.

Just a note this does not include Rune of Origination gimmicking. an alternate profile can be made to take advantage of it.

Does anybody have a theoretical normal mode BiS list? I would usually use the heroic mode set as a general preference with a few changes, but Ra-Den kinda screws that over.

Edit - Also did you say we are supposed to go Haste 6-7k > Crit > Mastery > Haste now? and if that is so, are we back to gemming Agility after 7k haste?

Initial haste value is around 7k for perfect play and no movement I believe, then crit, then mastery, then haste for filler.

Yes, gemming agillity/crit split after 7k haste, because the value of crit isn't at least half that of agility.

I take it we will still go flat out secondary stat gemming + mastery highest stat when we get RoRO? Or is that not the case anymore.

This is all assuming you don't have rune because as soon as it drops, and the only other people rolling against you are feral druids and possibly brewmaster, mastery >> whogivesafuck. #1 priority with rune is keeping mastery as the dominant secondary. Of course, you can do tricky stuff like ferals do where you gear just enough mastery to get it above crit, so you have lets say, 7k haste, 8500 mastery, 8400 crit, or something.

Definitely not in NM gear, possibly in heroic. We don't have the luxury of feral druids, they just get mastery slightly above haste and essentially ignore crit for the most part. We have to deal with haste being priority until the cap, and then worry about mastery and crit. In heroic gear it could be possibly to do some kind of haste=crit=mastery setup with mastery being slightly higher and all of them around 7k or so, I'm going to test different gearing options tonight when I get back hopefully.