I'm not seeing such excessive damage from our T30 talents unless I'm missing something here.

This would be true, but sadly the level 30 talents (at least Chi Wave and Zen Sphere, haven't looked into Chi Bursrt) don't seem to be working in raid settings. I used Chi Wave 36 times during a Megeara kill (was experimenting with a low haste rotation) and it managed to hit the boss 41 times..... looked at quite a few other logs and it seems to just not bounce on most encounters.

Have read similar reports about Zen Sphere not damaging the boss at all as well, but haven't confirmed them myself.

I don't think they have a real reason for the nerf. I was competing for top 5 on the ptr on fights like durumu. then i lose 15% of my damage and I'm somewhere between 6-11 at best while outgearing some of them. I'm just at a loss for words right now because no real explanation has been given for the nerf. I can promise you chi wave isn't counting for 10% of our damage even in best case scenario and you sacrificed your own dps to use it every 15s. And i can also promise you we'd be fine if they gave us that 10% damage back.

Maybe you should personally screw up the sims and make the damage lower and see if they buff us, cause I can't think of any other reason.

based on the twitter conversations, it is pretty safe to say the nerf was based on simulations rather than any data. Too bad blizzard's mechanics aren't actually working properly, and therefore the sims overestimate our dps.

I was 8th in my guild at 123k dps(e) on lei shen25, 159k dps without all the downtime factored in.

Either my guild has really good dps or somethings wrong. of course 24m/70m of my damage was spinning crane kick.

We went back and did ToES hm after and my dps was lower on all 4 fights than it was with 3 less item levels. So I don't really know anymore.

I think that the devs are still afraid of making us too powerful. I joined a great progression guild with the high hopes that in 5.2 my damage would be very good based on PTR feedback, but my damage hasn't increased which is endangering my raid spot.

I wouldn't be surprised if WW monks remain sub par this entire expansion. So much for being the newest class dominating in the expansion it came out in, ala DKs

just to point out so we don't go off topic too far, 25 man dps is usually higher than 10 mans by a fair margin, so it would seem a lot higher due to more adds to aoe ect, more skullbanner/stormlash.

You're dual-wielding, so naturally you're missing on a lot of off-hand auto-attacks. Nothing strange there.

That's somewhat of a small sample size to look at, seems like he just got incredibly lucky. White Melee has at least a 24% (27%?) base chance to miss with Dual-Wielding, I can't recall the exact number at the moment. So that's not entirely unexpected with 7.5% chance to hit, though it's interesting how much it fluctuates.

I think if the T30 model is going to stay the way it is, the community just needs to get Blizzard to look at the range issues. Chi Wave and Zen Sphere simply don't work on a large number of current-tier encounters which is unfortunately having a dramatic effect on DPS (if you can call 5% dramatic) given that Chi Burst is often not an equivalent choice.

Fairly certain the goal is not really to use t30 talents except to fill free GCD. You shouldn't be hitting it on cd if your haste and play style afford it. What I found to be a very good tactic is to use it to "delay" chi expenditure. Say you have about 1 sec left on RSK cd and low energy with 2 chi. You can either BOK and delay RSK 1-2 more GCD, or you can chi wave, RSK on time, and have enough energy to continue your rotation.

Don't forget you can build TeB during intermission on Lei Shen by use of EH/FOF if no adds are up around you.

After reading all of the blue posts a few times I'm pretty sure the 10% too much damage thing was just that in their internal secret dps calculators they forgot to take the chi cost off our lvl 30 talents, or forgot to place them in their rotation. Taking them out entirely would result in roughly a 10% dps loss (when they actually work), which makes sense. So at the last minute they caught that and rather than altering the t30 talents to cost chi, and continue to be a mild damage loss to use, they just nerfed Fierce Tiger to compensate for that damage.